Norwich Jaguar (merged)

Anyone got any idea what the other aircraft is that CNAM are getting?

Rob W may be able to help?

As I now work in Norwich I have recently had the chance to visit CNAM.

I was absolutely amazed at the standard of work carried out on the airframes. The Meteor, Hunter FR, and Jaguar (from memory) are in a better external condition than some aircraft at much larger, more established, and better supported museums (in the UK, Europe, and the US)!! It doesn’t necessarily take much more effort to get things right, but it certainly makes a difference to the end result!!

Well done to all concerned.

Considering that these exhibits are kept outside this is a real achievement.

The Whirlwind was being painted at the time of my visit (April). It’s good to see the Lightning in it’s genuine Saudi scheme (again, accurately done). Also pleasing to find a Dart Herald and Fokker Friendship on display. These workhorses are easily forgotten but have given sterling service and have great local relevance.

As I have a 7 week old son at home I can’t see me having the time to join up and help out at the moment, but I’m sure anyone who does would find it thoroughly worthwhile.

Willow

That Jaguar isn’t the only one up for sale, when I was at Coltishall one of the engineers said I could buy a Jag shell for £3000 if I wanted – unfortunatly I have no way of getting it to my back garden, so I had to decline. I was sorely tempted though. I keep meaning to go to the City of Norwich aviation museum, as I have never been, I normally pop down the road to Duxford.

Just a quick word from the CNAM, yes, it is all true. What MIZPAH says is accurate.

A very big thank you to all of you who contacted the museum either by visiting, phone or e-mail offering us your support either monetary offers or just hoping with us that we would be successful. We decided as a board of trustees that we would keep quiet about our intention to bid in order to avoid pushing the price up so if you were wondering why we were fairly quiet about it that is why.

It is also true that we made a firm decision not to solicit donations for it until we were certain of that we had been successful and we knew that the money would definitely be going to that cause. If any of you would like to make a donation in terms of money please do write to us, our full address is…

The City of Norwich Aviation Museum
Old Norwich Road
Horsham St. Faith
Norwich
Norfolk
NR10 3JF

Mizpah was also right about the gift aid, it is worth an extra 28p in the pound to us as a charity and all the money that we raise is ploughed straight back into the ongoing development of the museum both in terms of exhibit acquisition and care, display preparation and ongoing development.

If any of you are keen to come along and get involved with a great bunch of volunteers then we would be delighted to meet you. Come along any time that we are open (see www.cnam.co.uk) or drop in to see the volunteers on Volunteer Sundays’ (Sunday 12.00 to 17.00) or Volunteer Evening (Tuesday 20:00 to about 22:00) our subs are cheap, there is great fun and cameraderie to be had and we also have the odd guest speaker, barbeque, party and visit to local aviation sites. If anyone wants more details please post here or drop me a line at the above address.

Thank you everyone for your kind words about the Jaguar both here and elsewhere.

With Kind Regards

Rob Walden
Hon. Curator, CNAM

Found myself in Norwich on Tuesday night and thought it might be worth having a look over the fence at the City of Norwich Aviation Museum.

I was in for a suprise, as Tuesday is a regular working night at CNAM and there were around a dozen or so of their members at work. There was also a group visit by a local sailing club and they were happy for me to join them.

The hot news is that CNAM have been told that their tender for XX109 has been successful and therefore the Jag is staying with them. The group I latched on to was being shown around by the Chairman of the Museum, Derek Waters so this information comes from a good source. He also indicated that CNAM had just or were about to get another new aircraft as well as the Jaguar.

CNAM had decided not to make any comment on the sale of the aircraft before the result of their bid was known. They had been contacted by numerous people who wanted to make a financial donation to help them buy the aircraft, but they decided not to accept any donations until they knew if they had bought it. Their chairman did not want them to take money from individuals for a project that may not have come to a positive result, he thinks there have been enought appeals for money towards aircraft projects that have not come to a conculsion! Now they know that they have been successful, they are very keen to receive these donations.

I made a donation and gift aided this so, as a charity, CNAM can claim some tax back from Inland Revene. If anyone else wants to send them some cash, their address is Old Norwich Road, Horsham St Faith, Norwich. Make sure you give your name and address and tell them you want your donation treated as gift aid.

CNAM have a stall at Flying Legends on Saturday only, so you can spend money with them to help with the Jag then. They will be next to the Spifire Society’s stand, they have a very brightly coloured show trailer, you will not miss it!

Must also say how impressed I was with their museum. The site is very well maintained, most of the aircraft have been recently painted, their Meteor and Whirlwind look fantastic. The RAF Coltishall history room has moved there and is in two new buildings, there are more buildings for small exhibits waiting to be put up as well. Long term, they are raising money to put the most important aircraft under cover.

These smaller local museums deserve our support. The volunteers who run them spend a fantastic amount of time involved with every job you can imagine to make some progress with their collections. One of the regulars at CNAM told me that he spent 20/30 hours each week doing something for the museum and he was not alone with that type of commitment. If I lived nearer, I would join!

Must remember to search first… Oh the joys of having long weekends and loads of threads to catch up on……

Jaguar on the move?

Just been looking on the DSA website and found the following…

http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Disposals-Public-Site/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=MieqQ4wkQg8000ArvQ_8K1sp0000zYZmMGMv?ProductUUID=mWfAqBELJK8AAAELcwnXFXu%2e&CatalogCategoryID=dXDAqBELNhwAAAEDd2uasfoT&JumpTo=OfferList

Shame if the museum lose it. Jaguars are synominous with Norfolk…

I had some business in Horsham this afternoon, so I popped in to see if there was anything I could do. I am sure the museum would welcome donations from interested parties to ensure the Jaguar stays in Norfolk, which is in many ways its spiritual home…

Bruce

About the link on post #19
I always thought that ALL Tucanos were ‘NON EFFECTIVE’
Shoulda got the PC9!!

I tried to save a Canberra nose from being scrapped a few years ago . I contacted the DSA and they advised me to send a bid to them for the item. I sent a reply stating that I considered her to be 2 tonnes of alumininum at the current price per tonne. They replied that they would wish to receive more than the scrap value of an item through a private treaty sale.
Needless to say they couldn’t be bothered to get their act together and the ATC unit contacted the local RAF station for disposal of said item.
One Canberra nose chopped at a cost to the tax payer and one happy scrapman paid to take her away.

Afternoon All,

I thought that XX109 was only ever on loan from RAF Coltishall, and therefore the MoD? feel free to correct me if I’m wrong…..

I notice the DSA have yet to add the 22 gutted Jaguar fuselages outside in the rain at St Athan! onto the website. Although I guess they will be the first of many to be chopped up. 😮

Cosford were due to release some of the older GR.1/1As after the last JP clearout I believe? And they are getting some newer GR.3As at the moment or soon after the remainder are wfu.

As the DSA is part of the MoD (not the RAF) they are no doubt, swampped in Government bureaucratic paperwork, and have to obey orders from above, that being make lots of money…..even if its at the cost of one Jag in a museum.

Still suffering….

Tim

and this as well…

http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Disposals-Public-Site/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=MieqQ4wkQg8000ArvQ_8K1sp00008YQayETX?ProductUUID=N6zAqBELf0YAAAELLVvXFXu%2e&CatalogCategoryID=dXDAqBELNhwAAAEDd2uasfoT&JumpTo=OfferList

I have to agree with F4, what a tight fisted bunch of tossers the DSA are! With the amount of surplus Jaguar airframes available, and even more with maintenance numbers at Cosford etc, would it really have hurt them to gift the aircraft to Norwich? I don’t think so, yet another grand case of government at it’s finest! :rolleyes: I bet the RAF Museum never had to tender for theirs!

Good spot Snapper!! looks like the company involved is based on the south side of what was North Witham Airfield,in the ‘How to find us’ photo you can see some of the runway layout in what is now (I believe) Twyford Wood.

I like this:

http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Disposals-Public-Site/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=MieqQ4wkQg8000ArvQ_8K1sp0000IGqgVxr_?ProductUUID=jIbAqBELezwAAAEHU5t8yjEc&CatalogCategoryID=l2jAqBELYFwAAAD_F2Vpc4d5&JumpTo=OfferList

Any ideas what the museum stance is? Will they be bidding?

Bruce

She should certainly be allowed to stay where she is. I visited the museum shortly after she was delivered, and the staff were pleased as punch to have her there.

There is a great shortage of Jaguar canopies in the dealer world at present. There is every possibility that she could go to a dealer for onward sale to instructional use or breaking down for spares.
This is a very poor reflection on the DSA when they could quite happily have gifted this to City of Norwich. There have been many cases in the past of equipment
being written off in doubious countries because of the cost involved in bringing the gear back – surely a little common sense could see her stay there.

Two things why is it for sale
and also it should go to gatwick air museum imagine her running up?!

Just a thought, but would many people be interested in it? Was thinking maybe if someone made an offer of a fiver or something, and no one else was interested in buying the Jag, then would they be the owner of the Jag and then be able to just donate it to the museum?