"Not to be confused with hanger."

Tony, Baz, slight misconception creeping in there that needs nipping in the bud, calling an aircraft shed (the official AM parlance incidently) a hanger is not a spelling mistake, it’s using the wrong word.

For me it’s the aircraft names. The Blenheim and the Stirling are perhaps the most common victims, and maybe the Hampden.

That’s the other one I was trying to remember, the Short Sterling! A thread was started with that title a week or so ago, but it disapeared.:confused:

Circus, I meant what I said, hate, as in I hate lack of emotion.

‘Hangar’ is merely French for ‘Shed’…

We all make typos and mistakes,but I always try and take a few minutes to ‘proof read’ my posts…30 seconds of re reading have prevented some real Howlers from me LOL 😀

Pagen01,
Do you really “hate” those things, or merely dislike them?? I dislike the over use of extremely strong emotions.

Sum of you knead too get out more….

The English language is a fluid language and is always changing, words we today complain about for incorrect spelling would have been correct under a century ago. The spelling police deride people using two n’s in the word Donnington, as modern spelling has it as Castle Donington, but I drive past several centuries old mile markers in the village that show it as having the double N in the name, as do old maps….

There has never been a copy of the Bible printed that did not have at least one spelling error in it.

Microdross have probably been one of the major factors to the bastaaarrdising of the English language with American spelling. Website language filters another in having to be creative with the English word to get your message across, such as above!

First if any of our overseas readers are feeling nervous, in my view anybody for whom English is not their native tongue can be immediately forgiven. (and no, I’m not going to comment on Americanisms) None of us are perfect and odd mistakes are fine – it is often how I learn.

My pet hate is the hangar/hanger thing

Quite right. I’ve quoted The Goon Show Wings over Dagenham before but this exchange is rather delightful:

Crun: Yes. Now, to finance. Apart from the aerodrome, we shall need five thousand pounds for the hangars.
Seagoon: I’d rather hand my coat on a nail.
Grytpype-Thynne: Mister Crun was referring to aeroplane hangars.
Seagoon: Erm, will my aeroplane need a hangar?
Crun: It would lose it’s shape hanging on a nail, you know.

There was a discussion on Radio 4 once about the importance of punctuation when the guest highlighted how different extra-marital sex was without the hyphen. It led James Naughtie to remark that it is not often a debate on apostrophes finishes with extra marital sex.

AllanK

PS: Is anybody else taking longer than usual to proof read their posts on this thread?

One thing is amazing though. A thread about spelling and we haven’t heard from James:D

I’ll be honest and admit to the odd error here and there.

I don’t really mind being corrected when I make a mistake.

What gets up my nose, is the holier than thou, obnoxious and (sometimes) rude manner in which you (spelling police)correct people. Using the term “grrrrr” or a 😡 does nothing but exacerbate the problem. If by insulting us illiterate morons makes you feel better,…..please continue.

Correcting people by way of an insult or just to make yourself look ‘better educated’ only bullies some interesting aviation people off the forum.

This is an ‘Aviation Forum’ for aviation enthusiasts, not an ‘English literature’ class……….

Baz

Oh dear!

On another forum, I corrected someone’s spelling and World War 3 broke out. Then they banned me !

The word was ‘camaraderie’

John Green

Mosskeeto?

Spellings

It’s not your fault, Inkwork. Your statement only serves to illustrate the quiet and insidious onslaught the English language is under from outside influences – made even worse these days by the exposure of all and sundry to the (US-dominated) internet (and Microsoft/Apple!).

On the general point being made by this thread; some people work hard at doing things “right” – including their spelling. It’s likely an illustration of the way they run their lives, trying to do the best they can at anything they do.

There’s nothing wrong with that. The problem arises when others, who do not share the same standards or priorities, just do what they do, with little regard to the niceties required or with less of a priority in getting it right.

This is a universal problem, present in all facets of life and living, where the “traditionalists” (for want of a better title) try and uphold a standard they see to be under threat and slipping into mediocrity. I count myself as one of these “trads” but I am aware that I cannot, and should not, impose my views from some position of moral superiority. A stance like that can make you very unpopular!

However, people should have their say (especially on a forum, for goodness’ sake!”) and the receiver should not take it too seriously. Being banned sounds like John Green certainly hit a raw nerve.

For the sake of pragmatism there should, as always, be some meeting in the middle. Those atrocious spellers should try a bit harder to get it right – especially when they are talking to a learned audience. And those who judge should accept that not everyone has their well-developed sense of right and wrong.

Should the situation arise where someone has to choose someone off this forum to write an important letter on their behalf, they are hardly likely to go to someone whose grammar and spelling is poor, so standards are important when it matters. It’s just like, for instance, if you want your aeroplane rebuilding you don’t take it to a DIY enthusiast – however well-meaning they are.

Once, many years ago, people would try and speak “proper” and learn to read and write to better themselves and make themselves more presentable to a prospective employer (or partner:D). These days, it really doesn’t matter too much if you do anything badly, you are still in with as much of a chance as the more qualified. In other words; standards have dropped or been removed – just witness the current woes in the NHS which perfectly illustrates the way so-called qualifications and pay mean next-to-nothing when it comes to the quality of the individual.

Anyway, I’ve said enough. Sermon over:D I’ll get me (yes, I know) coat!

Anon.

Wow, a thread for me!:)

My pet hate is the hangar/hanger thing and I will almost always make a point of pointing it out if I see the wrong word used in a thread or post!

My issue is this; I don’t mind the odd spelling mistake, or even grammatical error, I realise that some people may have to post quickly, or aren’t that good at spelling and grammar (myself definitely included on both counts), and that this is only a forum where the subject matter comes first.
However, I hate the wrong word being used for the wrong subject, particularly if it’s aviation related on an aviation forum, hangar seems to be one of the most frequent offenders of this – a large shed containing aeroplanes is not a hanger, anymore than I hang my clothes from a hangar.
Aircraft and airfield names can also occasionally fall foul of this.

I agree with Dave4OTU, poor punctuation can lead to misunderstandings on a forum.

Another thing that I really hate, which is a recent and increasing problem, are posts which make no sense to the reader, they are full of misspellings*, awful grammar, capital letters in all the wrong places, no punctuation, odd gaps between words, and increased use of text abbreviations.
I hate to generalise, but it seems that this could be down to younger members using mobile phones to post here (example post #10 here, http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=114064 ).
Using your mobile devices is fine, but please double check what you’re writing before you hit the ‘Submit Reply’ button!

* I had to double check that one!

So is a museum which has aircraft on the floor and suspended from the ceiling or roof a hanger or hangar?

I’m also irritated by the use of the American spellings for (UK) English things – the worse being airplane instead of aeroplane – widely used by those who should know better.

I’m guilty of that, when I have to do web stuff the code is all American so it’s color and center, half an hour of that and I forget how to type properly.

Ay Jus gnu that this topick wood krate truubel. Bi the wey hu are u cawlin a pesant ?

J. Green (PhD. Eng)

Ahhhh

The aerodrome where I keep my aeroplane which has a wireless….

Not if you work out the context! It can only have one meaning!

Any sentence should have a clear meaning, you should not have to sit there and try and figure out what the writer is trying to say.

You are just making excuses for laziness by those people who can’t be bothered to learn english properly.

I get mail from all over the world , and consistently, the standard of written english is better from those who do not have english as their first language.

We should be ashamed that so many of our children can not read and write their own language proficiently .

Of course it does. Even if he or she hasn’t been schooled–and we can argue forever about the value of that–an intelligent person fairly quickly picks up correct spelling from reading. Assuming they read…

Just supposing its a physicist with a one track mind and no interest in spelling? Or a savant? Some of these people have incredible powers of recall but still cant spell.

………I think you all need to get out more…………..

Maybe or maybe not….but incorrect spelling and punctuation can completely alter the meaning of a sentence.

Not if you work out the context! It can only have one meaning!

The ability to spell has nothing to do with intelligence, anyway!
But I do hope all you pedants who feel it necessary to correct other people feel better!

Maybe or maybe not….but incorrect spelling and punctuation can completely alter the meaning of a sentence.

A fairly new one that irritates me is ” alot “, as in “There are alot of grammatical errors” Grrrrr!

I’ve been a member of the apostrophe police for a long time (should that be along time?) but rampant apostophisation isn’t a product of the modern education system. It has been around much longer than you’d think. I’ve come across it in several 1930s and wartime typewritten and handwritten documents. Despite their historic nature they still feel like a poke in the eye.