NX611 – Happy Birthday

😉 This has all been covered before including posts from some already on here.There are also a few posts by people we don’t hear alot from nowadays as well 🙁
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90707&highlight=jane

Happy Birthday ,JJ 😀

I’m quite happy for her to remain doing ground taxi runs, my 18th birthday present at the start of the month was a ride in her next year:D

Nice one, thanks. 🙂

No need 🙂 I Chose to do the job! Ive also edited my earlier posts to (hopefully) be less offensive.. 🙂

Thanks for your post (number17) Nashio966. It helped me to understand your emotions when you posted your original comments. It was clearly a stressful night for you and a horrible situation to have to deal with. You have my sympathies.

alot..

Im sure I read somewhere that the duxford lancaster was almost completely rebuilt with the idea that if PA474 crashed, it would be next in line? 🙂

It’s a shame it’s not running at least to just be a static display the sight of two lancs fly above while this was ground run would set the picture.:D

How much work involved to ground run this without the elf and safety mob getting involved hypothetically of course?

What a great post BSAA!
Yes out of the other two static lancs in the UK KB889 would be the best candidate to restore to fly once more..
Denis, not sure why you think once she is flyable it will be hands off so to speak. Look at FM213 over here, she flies AND takes paying passengers and is hands on when shes on the ground in the museum for the most part.

Out of the other lancs in the uk which one if money was available would be prime to be returned to the air?

Ie least cost etc.

Im sure I read somewhere that the duxford lancaster was almost completely rebuilt with the idea that if PA474 crashed, it would be next in line? 🙂

😮 Ive just re read this…. apologies, It was right at the end of my shift and after having dealt with several extremely emotionally testhing jobs last night that almost reduced me to tears I needed to vent a little 🙁 last night. Officers from my radio talkgroup had to deal with a car crash where two people carriers had smashed into each other – three parents, two 7 year old children and a baby, dead. My job is stressful at times, but last night was the second time Ive cried as a result of what I was dealing with.

I will do my absolute best to kerb emotional posting and I have edited my earlier posts.

Out of the other lancs in the uk which one if money was available would be prime to be returned to the air?

Ie least cost etc.

I can second brewerjerry’s remarks,I have said the same myself many times in threads about JJ.

Again for the record, I feel that JJ is best kept as an accessible airframe for everone to enjoy in close up and personal enviroment. The taxy runs allow one to be able to view her up close and now and again,when things are quiet, being able to clamber through for good look around as I and countless others have been afforded on more than one occasion. I feel that if she becomes a live airframe to an airworthiness standard, this type of closeness given to many, would stop. If you wish to see a flying Lancaster then we have the BBMF, want to see one up close without the rules and restrictions? then go to East Kirby.

Again, just my opinion and one that should not provoke the reaction that has been expressed here. Get over yourself Nashio…. said with tongue planted firmly in cheek 🙂 .

very well said BSAA

I have always thoroughly enjoyed reading the various opinions and interesting information which comes to light on this forum. The thing which binds everyone together is their common passion for historic aviation.
The one thing which spoils it for me is the rudeness shown when one contributor happens to hold a different opinion from another. This thread is a classic example.
I have a particular interest in NX611 (the details of which are not worth elaborating on here) but which made me look at the thread and appreciate RetreatingBlade’s first post. Likewise I read Brewerjerry’s post and could understand why he said it was “personally” sad if she flies again. He is merely stating that in his opinion he would prefer to see Just Jane as a living, breathing, taxying Lancaster than fly her and risk the possibility of losing aircraft and crew forever. I happen to know that the Pantons shared the same concern and for that reason the decision to attempt a restoration to airworthy status was a very difficult one for them. I can also understand why Brewerjerry referred to NX611 as an “un-replaceable aircraft”. How many others Lancasters in the UK have the potential to be restored to airworthy status?
My personal opinion is that if the owners have the necessary funds and skilled team around them to fly their aircraft safely then these priceless examples of our aviation heritage should be flown. They should be displayed for the general public to see them in their true element. I say that in spite of still feeling deeply the loss of the Mosquito at Barton, the Blenheim at Denham, the P-63 at Biggin, the Firefly at Duxford, as just four examples of many priceless aircraft lost for ever as a result of them being displayed. I also appreciate the owner of the aircraft can do whatever they choose with their own property. I don’t believe Brewerjerry contradicted that sentiment either.

I hardly ever post on this forum as I doubt whether anyone would be interested in anything I have to say, but the point of this particular post is that I hate to see people being ridiculed for simply stating an opinion. Nashio966, why not just calm down and allow others to have their views. My opinion on the subject of NX611’s return to flight happens to coincide with yours in this instance, but I have no intention of criticising Brewerjerry for expressing his.

Let’s keep the forum friendly and remain openminded. As I said earlier, ultimately we all share the same passion for historic aircraft.

You don’t buy a boat and not make it float nor would you buy a car and not drive it, So get her back in the air where she was built for and belongs.:)

I can’t think of a better memorial to those who risked a whole lot more.

people astound me…..
that they always want to risk flying old un-replaceable aircraft.

Happy Birthday to NX611 I have some good and bad memories of working on her many,many years ago on a very cold Blackpool airport.

Its only dedication of the Team and the Panton brothers that has even to start with helped this lady survive the rather unfortunate abuse involving salt air and some poor choices of parking place in her past.(prior to her being rescued)

It is wonderfull they plan to rebuild her to fly.I must sit on the fence abit.If it can fly and the necessary is there in the will,the parts and the finance(not in any particular order) then great. If it does not meet the above then ground running taxiable is also very good this keeps the airframes live and working to the best they can and everyone gets the chance to visit and see it taxying etc.

Then there is the rare and economic crunch factor if its very rare ,a one off or a reproduction then you have to balance all sorts of things and a lot has to go into the pot is it viable,is there anything to be gained etc,etc, sadly some projects have been driven along by enthusiastic teams and enthusiasts to put an aircraft into the air and face a continual struggle to be able to maintain it.(yes before I get sniped at the Vulcan is one of the ones I am thinking of).And it leaves lots of arguments and question (did they do the right thing etc,etc)

a lot of the projects we have been fortunate to be involved with at the start the aims and goals for the aircraft are fully investiaged and we are only in the main involved with aircraft for static display(full rebuild,refurbish)some with a certain amount of systems installed and working ,and a couple of projects that are ground running taxiable but NOT capable of ever flying.

Mike:D:D:D:D
WhirlwindFighterProject.webs.com

I’m with Ben on this one…
In my humble opinion everything with wings should fly, no matter age or rarety.
An aircraft is made to be flying!!!

By the way, Happy Birthday to NX611!!

Ben, everyones entitled to their own opinion in the for or against the lanc flying.

I cannot see why “personally” it would be a bad thing? :confused: I suppose at the end of the day what the owner wishes to do is his perogative? If he/she wants to inject a fortune into making it one step better then im all for it 🙂

If it wasnt for the efforts of the pantons kirkby wouldnt be what it is today and 611 would have probably rotted into obscurity by now.

I suppose im reall of the opinion – you buy something and spend a small fortune on it – at this point you’ve earnt the right to criticize others and what they do with theirs.

Ben, everyones entitled to their own opinion in the for or against the lanc flying.