OBAMA CONTINUES TO PLAY DANGEROUS SHIELD GAMES

Well you should know.:rolleyes:

Such a whiner lol 😀 Can’t even accept that you’re biased and racist.

Guys, I humbly suggest you all stop this useless rant, close the topic and just wait till Iran finally builds a bomb, puts it on a IRBM or ICBM, fires it at any given target and then we will, lo and behold, know who was right and who was wrong.
Alternatively, I suggest waiting for WWIII and see whether Russia was right to worry or not.

The rest is (hopefully) silence.

The mirror can be painful. :rolleyes:

Well you should know.:rolleyes:

Wow you pathetic.:rolleyes:

The mirror can be painful. :rolleyes:

LOLUMAD? 2 vs 1 here.

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Wow you pathetic.:rolleyes:

Of course they did, they were a repeat of your false accusations.:mad::rolleyes:

LOLUMAD? 2 vs 1 here.

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His accusations looked perfectly legit to me.

Of course they did, they were a repeat of your false accusations.:mad::rolleyes:

Just as soon as you have finished with the false accusations.:mad:

His accusations looked perfectly legit to me.

Not only that, I also stink and have the weird habit of pi$$ing in the washing basin. :p

Anything else you got on mind or are you finished with the BS?

Just as soon as you have finished with the false accusations.:mad:

You have failed to provide anyevidence for your absurd and offensive accusations, thus you are a liar and a troll.

Not only that, I also stink and have the weird habit of pi$$ing in the washing basin. :p

Anything else you got on mind or are you finished with the BS?

I will say it for the last time here..

1. yes, I think you are xenophobic. It is my private opinion and I do not declare it otherwise. Others are welcome to think different.
2. I am specifically referring to your response #256 but also to general impression I get from your posts in other threads from time to time. There were over 5200 of them so far, don’t expect me to waste my time looking them up..
3. If you do not like the impression I get from your posts, it is not my fault, the fault is yours. I don’t have abilities to see inside your head and even if I had them I would not bother looking. If you are not xenophobic and want people acknowledge that, then write as if you are not. Plain and simple. This topic is finished for me. Out.

You have failed to provide anyevidence for your absurd and offensive accusations, thus you are a liar and a troll.

Provide a qoute for me being xenophobic.:mad:
You should really stop arguing with yourself then.

I will say it for the last time here..

1. yes, I think you are xenophobic. It is my private opinion and I do not declare it otherwise. Others are welcome to think different.
2. I am specifically referring to your response #256 but also to general impression I get from your posts in other threads from time to time. There were over 5200 of them so far, don’t expect me to waste my time looking them up..
3. If you do not like the impression I get from your posts, it is not my fault, the fault is yours. I don’t have abilities to see inside your head and even if I had them I would not bother looking. If you are not xenophobic and want people acknowledge that, then write as if you are not. Plain and simple. This topic is finished for me. Out.

Look, I won’t be arguing with an idiot. Provide a quote for my accusation aimed at you containing the word *racism*, it is that simple..

Provide a qoute for me being xenophobic.:mad:

You should really stop arguing with yourself then.

In which case you would still owe me an apology.
Your entire contribution to this thread holds no value.

You are the one falsely accusing people of racism and xenophobia thus you are the troll

Look, I won’t be arguing with an idiot. Provide a quote for my accusation aimed at you containing the word *racism*, it is that simple..

Does that sentiment track with this article regarding a strike on London perhaps?.

Now it has to be said that the guy quoted in this is not a member of the Iranian Govt, but, a ‘connected’ think-tank so, whilst not indicating policy options being considered by the current administration, it is indicative of the advice on offer to that administration and its not as benign as some of you would try to make out is it!.

This guy is paid for thinking out various what if scenarios. I would not be surprised if he also had few scenarios of a total destruction war with the US in his sleeve. Finally, that is his job.

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I agree. I never said anything about racism. Do you read the responses at all?
If I were to accuse you of something, then it would be religious xenophoby.

In which case you would still owe me an apology.

Without further explanation this response holds no value. If you actually cared to say clearly what you meant then this whole fuzz would be superfluous.

Your entire contribution to this thread holds no value.

Pfff.. You obviously don’t even know what the word means.. My response to you stated: You gotta admit you got something of that stupid stereotype imagination about all Muslims just looking for a way to die as martyrs, don’t pretend you don’t.

I referred to Muslims, which is a religion. Racism refers to races, not religions..
Can you finally come to reading the responses before you start trolling? You are becoming tiring with this.

You are the one falsely accusing people of racism and xenophobia thus you are the troll.

Nothing racist there at all.

I agree. I never said anything about racism. Do you read the responses at all?
If I were to accuse you of something, then it would be religious xenophoby.

Pathetic and shows the weakness of your argument

Without further explanation this response holds no value. If you actually cared to say clearly what you meant then this whole fuzz would be superfluous.

You most certainly do owe me an apology you made a false accusation of racism.:mad:

Pfff.. You obviously don’t even know what the word means.. My response to you stated: You gotta admit you got something of that stupid stereotype imagination about all Muslims just looking for a way to die as martyrs, don’t pretend you don’t.

I referred to Muslims, which is a religion. Racism refers to races, not religions..
Can you finally come to reading the responses before you start trolling? You are becoming tiring with this.

Maybe he misspelled “accept” ?

Yes, that is another possibility. Accept or expect. but generally it doies not change the meaning of the sentence very much.

Macman:
There’s a difference between “stationing” and “deployment”. There are plenty of troops stationed nominally in Europe and deployed to Iraq.

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MILITARY/history/hst0803.pdf

This is the pdf referenced in wikipedia, which gives 56,000 US service members stationed in Germany (March 2008).
The same pdf notes explicitly on page 4 that all troop contingents for OIF and OEF are included within stationing numbers elsewhere, and gives originating stations. From Germany, there are 14,200 service members deployed, bringing the troops actually deployed in Germany to 42,000; out of 84,000 service members nominally stationed in Europe, 67,000 are actually deployed there (this of course changes with troop rotations in OIF/OEF).

Current US planning (since 2004) is to reduce this to a permanent presence of roughly 40-45,000 in Europe – 28-30,000 in Germany – originally planned for 2010-2011, but now postponed until 2012-2013 among other things due to a lack of onsite housing in CONUS bases.

While these numbers are of course nothing to scoff at, it’s nothing compared to the good quarter million soldiers deployed in Europe of 1993.

No, I’m afraid I cannot see the contradiction. The missiles in Poland do not provide complete protection of Europe. They may provide greater protection of Europe than missiles in Scotland but neither provide exactly marvellous ‘shielding’ over Europe as proponents of the system are so keen to point out.

What does it matter what these proponents say?. The simple fact is that missiles in Poland do more to shield Europe than missiles in Scotland. That answers the question why Poland and not Scotland!.

Although it’d be interesting to see why exactly anyone would propose or believe Iran has any reason to shoot a missile at anywhere in Eastern Europe.

I agree. Targets for Iran in Europe are FAR and away more likely to be in western Europe where this system will at least offer some capability. The GBI’s going into Poland wouldnt do anything against missiles re-entering to hit E.European countries anyway – they are midcourse interceptors. To screen E.Europe you would need the terminal phase interceptors like THAAD and the Patriot variants.

Next, the Azerbaijan radar. While it may be sited closer to the border, as it is a VHF facility the tracking it provides is far better than the X-band radars suggested for the Czech Republic.

If you believe that a VHF radar (30-300MHz) is going to be better for tracking a relative small RCS high speed inbound than a high-resolution X-band set then I think its possible you need to re-read your radar fundamentals sources.

Put the SBX in the Mediterranean and supplemental FBX radars in western Turkey and the warning network would be far superior to the current one, which has been analysed as woefully inadequate. Not to mention it wouldn’t be the only radar you could use if the United States showed even the slightest interest in genuine cooperation with Russia over missile defence.

So instead of siting one radar in the Czech Republic you now want to put radar platforms all over the region and steam a dozen AEGIS cruisers round the Black Sea entry and just off the Syrian coastline?. Yes – because that wont look like an American military build up in theatre?!. Who’s analysed the XBR as woefully inadequate….even the diagram you have just reproduced shows that Iranian missiles would fly right at the XBR and would be mid course straight down the radars sightline!.

Next, Turkish missile deployment. Why on Earth are missiles in Turkey somehow unable to counter missiles aimed at the US? As SOC’s extremely helpful map shows:

Quite simply because the Iranian missiles would be overhead of a GBI site on the Turkish Black Sea coast by the time the track was developed and the missiles launch. GBI’s arent going to work well in a tail chase!!!.

Anywhere along Turkey’s northern coast in the western half of the country should be more than sufficient to intercept a missile, and most certainly enough if you were to use the three-stage interceptors from the Alaska system.

Crikey the Russians are having faux kittens about the cut-down 2 stage system planned in poland….now you want to push it to the full 3 stage setup?.

Especially when it’s got much better tracking data available to it. Back it up with Scottish missiles and I can’t see anything getting through to the US. Thus not only do you have a system which provides superior protection of the European continent but redundant protection of the United States – without having to ruin East-West relations like a bull in a china shop.

Or, instead of the US making all sorts of changes to the designed system, perhaps the Russians need to admit that they fully understand that, having a limited BMD system of their own, they know that the Polish GBI’s are no threat to them, their first-strike capability OR their second strike capability. They can stop blaming NATO about former Warsaw Pact countries petitioning it to join and then we can have East-West relations built on a footing slightly more mature than one that panders to irrelevent Russian bloody paranoia!.