OK Who Can ID This Fuselage Frame?

Hawker biplane

Found on another site

Possibly Hawker Biplane/Hurricane

http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=121656

Paul

Definitely Hawker Hart biplane family, part A14403 reproduced in plan and context below

I have had the benefit of having to hand “British Military Aircraft Serials 1912-1969” by Bruce Robertson and it appears from a reading of this that it was predominantly the Hawker Hart that was produced by Armstrong Whitworth. (Sorry Bob, I hope no offence is taken) Most other aircraft manufacturers, besides Hawker’s, produced some versions of the 1930’s Hawker biplane family at some stage to reduce the load on Hawker’s and ensure aircraft were available in sufficient numbers for the late 1930’s hurried re-expansion of the RAF.

K3855-3904 were AW aircraft as were K3955-3972, 4297-8 and 4437-4495. A large number of this latter batch were sold to the SAAF.

K4886-5052 a batch of 167 had one aircraft sold on to South Africa. K6415-6550 was the final AW batch of 146. In addition to those supplied to the SAAF, there may well have been others transferred to southern Africa as part of the training programmes during the war.

Absolutely no offence taken, I was relying on my memory, so almost guaranteed to have got it wrong LOL.

Bob T.

Not hurricane as Bruce said. Surprised to see the AW stamp. I was orignally thinking Vildebeest, then wondered what a Horsley frame might look like. My thoughts would be Hind/Hart family, [B][/B]maybe even a Hector

Not If it’s in Africa, & AW didn’t build Hectors !

The Vildebeest/Vincent frame is constructed a lot differently to those of Hawker biplanes.

Bob T.

Hart family, The give away is the Pi shaped frame (amidships) visible in the group photo holding the framework. It is immediately behind the gunners cockpit.

John

I have had the benefit of having to hand “British Military Aircraft Serials 1912-1969” by Bruce Robertson and it appears from a reading of this that it was predominantly the Hawker Hart that was produced by Armstrong Whitworth. (Sorry Bob, I hope no offence is taken) Most other aircraft manufacturers, besides Hawker’s, produced some versions of the 1930’s Hawker biplane family at some stage to reduce the load on Hawker’s and ensure aircraft were available in sufficient numbers for the late 1930’s hurried re-expansion of the RAF.

K3855-3904 were AW aircraft as were K3955-3972, 4297-8 and 4437-4495. A large number of this latter batch were sold to the SAAF.

K4886-5052 a batch of 167 had one aircraft sold on to South Africa. K6415-6550 was the final AW batch of 146. In addition to those supplied to the SAAF, there may well have been others transferred to southern Africa as part of the training programmes during the war.

Not hurricane as Bruce said. Surprised to see the AW stamp. I was orignally thinking Vildebeest, then wondered what a Horsley frame might look like. My thoughts would be Hind/Hart family, maybe even a Hector

Hawker biplane- Armstrong Whitworth built a number of them, including Audax, if my memory serves me correctly.

Bob T.

I will ask Guy Black when I see him at the workshops or he may pop in here later this week.

Definitely Hawker, I would say not a Hurricane.

A number of Hawker biplane projects have come from South Africa over the years. I wonder if it has already been recovered….

Looks as you say, but those frames are very close unless you see them side by side. Rocketeer should be along later to confirm Hurricane or not.
Sorry I cannot add further than the AW stamps.
TA