Openskies 757 at MAN

Thanks for the info…;)

Further info….(I asked Boeing today)
The 747 winglets (And the other flat looking ones on Boeings) were designed a long while back (By Boeing), before the splinter organisation of Aviation Partners Boeing designed the blended.
To design another one, and have it proven to fly etc. etc. would not make business sense when there is already one approved.

Thanks for the info…;)

Right, so why did Airbus conduct trials with blended winglets on an A320 recently, concluding they weren’t any better than the wing fences already installed ? And why does the new Boeing 747-800, 777-200/300ER, 767-400 etc favour raked wing tips as opposed to winglets. Even the 744 ‘Dreamlifter’ conversion has had the winglets removed…

The A320 trials were a few years ago now. They tried a blended and a cranked.
The fences, and the raked type need far less installation time and costs. The wing skins need a major mod. to get the blended on. This major mod is usually only done when the A/c is in the shed for a deep strip. The fences and rakes can be added in lieu of a wing tip, with not so much modification.
The payback of the blended is obviously worth the cost, or hundreds of 737’s wouldn’t have it on.
The 767-300 will have the blended.
The 777-300 will have the blended.
There is also an issue with the size of a blended on the end of the 747 wing. It would weigh at least 400lb, and would need a 400lb counterweight on the tip of the Front spar.
And, the A350 Nightmareliner will have as-built blended.

The pilots will have to answer that one.
All I know is that we hope to be building those 757 ones soon, for Aviation Partners Boeing. (A branch of Boeing of course). Anyone know who is making them now?
The APB style are known as a “Blended winglet”, reportedly 6% fuel saving, (Some operators have claimed nearer 9% on long haul and good air) even with the extra weight (Plus it’s counterweight on the front Spar) stuck out on the tip.
APB winglets look the business and do the job, the Airbus “Wing Tip Fences” are knocked-into-a-cocked-hat in comparison (Performance wise). And, they look so good, private customers (Of Boeing A/c) are having them fitted….and these people don’t care about 6% saving, it’s just that the A/c look so much better with them!

Right, so why did Airbus conduct trials with blended winglets on an A320 recently, concluding they weren’t any better than the wing fences already installed ? And why does the new Boeing 747-800, 777-200/300ER, 767-400 etc favour raked wing tips as opposed to winglets. Even the 744 ‘Dreamlifter’ conversion has had the winglets removed…

Does having Winglets on the 757 effect the piloting techniques? Are there new factors to take into consideration?

The pilots will have to answer that one.
All I know is that we hope to be building those 757 ones soon, for Aviation Partners Boeing. (A branch of Boeing of course). Anyone know who is making them now?
The APB style are known as a “Blended winglet”, reportedly 6% fuel saving, (Some operators have claimed nearer 9% on long haul and good air) even with the extra weight (Plus it’s counterweight on the front Spar) stuck out on the tip.
APB winglets look the business and do the job, the Airbus “Wing Tip Fences” are knocked-into-a-cocked-hat in comparison (Performance wise). And, they look so good, private customers (Of Boeing A/c) are having them fitted….and these people don’t care about 6% saving, it’s just that the A/c look so much better with them!

Does having Winglets on the 757 effect the piloting techniques? Are there new factors to take into consideration?

…about 3 hours later she landed again, possible BA Heathrow run at moment?

No, Danny. It’s all crew-training at the moment. We’ll probably never see these aircraft at MAN once Openskies starts revenue-earning services.

Nice pictures, though. 🙂

Excuse my asking, but what is the fuss re a BA Openskies 757 being around. Not exactly a rare sight / rare reg. is it?

Enjoy it while it lasts, soon you’ll have to make do with a picture of a grinning Boris Johnson on the tail…:rolleyes: 😀 :diablo:

Here she is today …

about 3 hours later she landed again, possible BA Heathrow run at moment?

Danny

First BA 757 with Winglets!

Dawn of a new Era for BA and the industry as a whole!

Plus she is a canny good looking aircraft!

Plus shes been in the hanger for a while getting converted good to see her out and about , Rumour has it she could be off across the Pond soon for a test run!

Excuse my asking, but what is the fuss re a BA Openskies 757 being around. Not exactly a rare sight / rare reg. is it?

And the next day the aircraft was by the ROMPER.:D 😀 😀 😀 😀
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6234692&nseq=1
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6234693&nseq=0

Depending on where that photo is taken (not worked there long enough to decide) it’s either returned or stayed on, or another aircraft is way out on a remote.

Looks like Stand 80.

Depending on where that photo is taken (not worked there long enough to decide) it’s either returned or stayed on, or another aircraft is way out on a remote.

BA have engineers based at MAN (trust me i know a few of them very well) ,as i was leaving the ramp today the BA boys were checking out the number two engine.

Ill have more info tomorrow.:D

Hi Allen Believe that TBD at Heathrow handles the 757, BAMG handles 737, A319,A320,A 321, they did do some maintance on 757 when it was doing the NewYork routes ( thats why the extension on the Hangar roof)
BAMC do the T7 and 747

Kevin

Thanks Kevin…

Does BAMG handle 757’s or is it BAMC ?

Hi Allen Believe that TBD at Heathrow handles the 757, BAMG handles 737, A319,A320,A 321, they did do some maintance on 757 when it was doing the NewYork routes ( thats why the extension on the Hangar roof)
BAMC do the T7 and 747

Kevin

Seem that its gone Tech tonight at Manchester, I dont know if BA have any 757 engineers at MAN , a Faulty Valve is to blame

Kevin

Does BAMG handle 757’s or is it BAMC ?

Seem that its gone Tech tonight at Manchester, I dont know if BA have any 757 engineers at MAN , a Faulty Valve is to blame

Kevin

Thanx for the info Mr P just seen it depart,i will be on the ramp at MAN tomorrow.Might bump into you.:D