Operation Mincemeat

As an aside, how can you have lost the BBC main stations by going digital C.D? They are on Freeview, for which you can get a £40 box to receive.

Moggy

Yes, exactly; once the enemy drivers know that there are potentially lethal land-mines ‘disguised’ as camel-dung on the roads then they have to exercise extreme caution driving where there is anything that looks like a camel-dung land-mine on the road…

…and, of course, the roads in North Africa are covered in extremely authentic looking camel-dung aren’t they? 😉

It’s genius, absolute genius! :diablo:

A lot of areas near Heathrow are too.

Linc
in addition to exploding poo, you need to read all about the diversions that were created all over the South of England in preperation for D-Day. The diversion was almost as big as the operation and it was done for months beforehand.

Do you mean, that say, a member of our Army or whatever Service layed several of these Camel Poos on a road or track, being used by the enemy, that the enemy would initiate caution..?

Yes, exactly; once the enemy drivers know that there are potentially lethal land-mines ‘disguised’ as camel-dung on the roads then they have to exercise extreme caution driving where there is anything that looks like a camel-dung land-mine on the road…

…and, of course, the roads in North Africa are covered in extremely authentic looking camel-dung aren’t they? 😉

It’s genius, absolute genius! :diablo:

Whatever needs must.
Wired, pressure, timer.

If you also watch the Jeremy Clarkson tribute to his Wife’s father (The only VC from the Isle of Man), he used exploding poo to try and disable an oncoming tank…amongst several other things. I’m surprised I can’t find the two vids on a double DVD offer….this, and the “Greatest Raid of all time” documentary he did. Brilliant journalistic enthusiasm portraying unbelievable acts.

PeeDee, if you can trace this DVD, let me know please.
L.7

C.D. Do you mean, as an eg, that say, a member of our Army or whatever Service layed several of these “Dog Poos, P.D. or Camel Poos, C.D.on a road or track, being used by the enemy, that the enemy would initiate caution, and if in the case of an enemy convoy, slow it down to a stop, whilst the poo was investigated, and if needed could also be ignited to explode, useful for an ambush I would imagine.Is this reasoning so?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

…would the dung be set off by a pressure switch, or some other means?

Not sure, probably some very simple and very sensitive, primary explosive…

…the crucial point of these types of ‘weapon’ is that they could explode…..but they don’t explode! 😉

Whatever needs must.
Wired, pressure, timer.

If you also watch the Jeremy Clarkson tribute to his Wife’s father (The only VC from the Isle of Man), he used exploding poo to try and disable an oncoming tank…amongst several other things. I’m surprised I can’t find the two vids on a double DVD offer….this, and the “Greatest Raid of all time” documentary he did. Brilliant journalistic enthusiasm portraying unbelievable acts.

…or exploding coal (made from papier-mâché) an incarnation of a similar idea from the First World War…..and, of course, the same idea used with spectacular success by ‘the boogieman’ (I mean Al-Qaeda :o) with the ‘Shoe Bomber’.

But not one media pundit (I saw) and very few ‘security experts’ commented on the actual successful strategy of the ‘shoe bomb’ plot. :rolleyes:

Churchill’s Wizards by Nicholas Rankin is very good for an overview of British Intelligence wartime deception.

C.D. would the dung be set off by a pressure switch, or some other means?
Jim

Lincoln .7

Cheers PeeDee, Thanks for the input, I will delve into it, I have, through that docu, suddenly taken an interest in WW11 “Gadgets”. (And knowing your sense of humour is as twisted as mine, don’t even mention Inspector Gadget):D

JIm.

Lincoln .7

…or exploding coal (made from papier-mâché) an incarnation of a similar idea from the First World War…..and, of course, the same idea used with spectacular success by ‘the boogieman’ (I mean Al-Qaeda :o) with the ‘Shoe Bomber’.

But not one media pundit (I saw) and very few ‘security experts’ commented on the actual successful strategy of the ‘shoe bomb’ plot. :rolleyes:

Churchill’s Wizards by Nicholas Rankin is very good for an overview of British Intelligence wartime deception.

I think the Camel Dung explosive started life as Dog Poo and Dead Rats.

If you watch the series on Discovery/History called “The originals” you will find out much more. It is a series based on the story and the start of the SOE, with interviews of the surviving members from a special Dinner they had together in 1982.
There is bound to be a book covering the same stuff, but I don’t know of it.
Apart from being true heroes one and all, the tricks/inventions and skullduggery they got up to was unbelievable and fascinating.

Hi C.D. No, it wasn’t the film, The Man That Never Was, It was a docu, BBC 2 at 20.00 hrs Sat 21.May. I would love to hear more of such examples of the likes of camel dung. sheer genius .I would like to get hold of the DVD of the film, they must have made one.
Whilst I am on about our “Agents” and the items they carried, reminds me of the film, “Ill met by moonlight” I think all those pilots of the Lysander were heros, inasmuch as when landing/taking off, never knew if their missions were or had been compromised, but I.M.H.O. ALL those that served in the war were heroes in my book.Thanks to them, I am typing this in English and not German.;)
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I’ve always thought that the ‘exploding camel dung’ was a work of genius; although today it is often used as an example (by those that do not understand it) to ridicule!

I didn’t realise when you started this thread that you were talking about a documentary as we’ve lost BBC1 and BBC2 since we went ‘digital’; I thought that the film ‘The Man Who Never Was’ had been shown on TV. I think I’ve seen the documentary; must see if it is on the BBC iPlayer.

C.D. Wasn’t it the L.R.D.G. who first used that ?. Damned good idea though.
I didn’t know that Ian Flemming of 007 fame was in MI5 until I watched the docu.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Anyone know of any other “Dirty tricks” we got up to, to help us win the War?

Exploding camel dung…..it doesn’t get much dirtier than that! :diablo:

Some weeks ago I visited one of the many Charity shops in town, In the glass display case was a genuine RAF WW11 escape compass. I purchased this for the Princely sum of £1.99.It’s so small it would fit into a fountain pen top or ant other small hiding place.
And it’s in perfect accurate condition.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Dirty tricks!!
We’re British! If it was slightly non Cricket, it was necessary.

I can recommend the recent book as well as “Agent Zig Zag” by the same author, I’m not convinced that its all 100% true, but a great read none the less.

I didn’t watch it as I have the book sitting on my bookcase waiting for me to find time to read it.