Osama bin Laden is Dead (Merged)

It should be mentioned that around 16,500 British and Indian troops and supporters were killed by Afgan fighters in the January 1842 retreat, I think that is what Kev is getting at.

Really? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?

Regards,

kev35

Really? Let me sum up for you:
1839: British & Indian troops fought brief victorious campaign. Crushed Afghan armies. Placed new ruler on throne, withdrew most troops, leaving only small garrisons.
1840-1. Incompetent British commander in Kabul moved his small remaining force to an indefensible position, brought in families from India, & failed to react to provocations.
1841. Political officer killed while negotiating with opposition leader.
1842. (1) Kabul garrison tried to retreat to India, having received assurances of safe passage. Massacred on the march. Garrison in Ghazni (mostly Indian) capitulated to overwhelming forces, with similar assurances. Murdered after surrender. Kandahar & Jalalabad garrisons besieged.
(2) British & Indian troops marched back in. Destroyed every Afghan force which tried to oppose them, despite being heavily outnumbered in every battle. Pillaged & burned as they marched (unlike 1839). Retook Ghazni & destroyed the fortifications. Retook Kabul & demolished the bazaar quarter, where the political officers body had been put on display after his murder. Told the locals the destruction was punishment for treachery.

The Afghan ruler deposed in 1839 was allowed to go home in 1843, but it took him until 1854 to regain control of the whole country, at which point he agreed to the terms he’d refused in 1838, & became a British ally until his death in 1863.

Backside kicked?

The brother of one of my ancestors was in Kandahar throughout the siege, & the breakout to Ghazni. The column from Jalalabad beat them to Kabul, but it was still named on the campaign medal he got – “Candahar Ghuznee Cabul 1842”. Died in New Zealand in 1880.

US releases photo of his grave.

www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_20110511133532.asp

How about asking ‘which history book it is from’ AFTER reading my previous reply to another poster in its “context” ! :rolleyes:

My apologies, but surely you don’t expect me to read everything? Context? I’ll have to look it up in the dickshunnery.

Pagen.

Have a read about what happened to Lord Elphinstone’s army.

Regards,

kev35

He’s right, I’ve seen the film.
It features the much feared Afgan fighters, under the command of the Khasi of Khalabar, who aim to defeat the British 3rd Foot and Mouth Regiment who’s tough reputation was such that they were better known as the ‘Devils in Skirts’!
All this is was played out around the hostile Khyber Pass.

“Carry On” James, 🙂

Lincoln .7

Isn’t belief, a wonderful thing, since when I went to church, I must have missed out on building bombs, firing AK47s and body bombs.And isn’t that which has caused so many wars throughout history?.differing religions ?.
Can somewon please explain to me why we are now arguing with each other and point scoring.over a dead man.
He is dead, yesterdays news by a long chalk by now, I guess there will be repercussions, but just hate to see some of the things here on the forum, causing so much unrest between members, whilst we would all like to live in a perfect world, it just aint going to happen. 🙁

Lincoln .7

Really? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?

Regards,

kev35

How about asking ‘which history book it is from’ AFTER reading my previous reply to another poster in its “context” ! :rolleyes:

I agree that Pakistan is fighting the current war because US threatened to bomb them to the stone age, but that’s like getting raped under gun point not consensual sex!

That analogy is incorrect.
Its more like US making Pakistan do the right thing by getting rid of Pakistani/Afghani Terrorist scum at Gun point !

The fact that Pakistan govt. and many Pakistanis believe that using these radical yahoos to serve strategic and state aims is fine is bewildering to say the least ! 😮

What use are the armed forces of Pakistan if they have to cultivate and rely on these religiously misguided AK 47 wielding idiots ?! 😮

Really? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?

He’s right, I’ve seen the film.
It features the much feared Afgan fighters, under the command of the Khasi of Khalabar, who aim to defeat the British 3rd Foot and Mouth Regiment who’s tough reputation was such that they were better known as the ‘Devils in Skirts’!
All this is was played out around the hostile Khyber Pass.

Surely he might disagree?

Regards,

kev35

I doubt it, he will be up there with his 72 virgins living the “life” of Reilly! Well that’s what he preaches to all the easily-led idiots that follow him!

None of the above has escaped my memory, which is nowhere near as selective as some other people’s memory appears to be.

Equally, none of the above supports the apparently prevalent belief that terrorism began on the 11th September 2001 and that only Moslems are terrorists.

Or perhaps you disagree?

No, but terroism on such an enormous scale did start on 9/11! I am not saying that only Muslims are terrorists, but I wish they were generally more outspoken about their radical element and condemmed their actions more vocally!

The first Afghan war was to beat the Soviets back from Afghanistan.

Really? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?

Regards,

kev35

He is certainly better off dead than alive!

Surely he might disagree?

Regards,

kev35

All trout are fish, but not all fish are trout.

Being a game fisherman, and Trout in particular, I am definately NOT rising to your dry fly, 😉 However, a nice way of getting your point across if I may say.

Lincoln .7

G.A. Understood, it did however seem all BRITS were being tarred with the same brush, and that, includes me.I do not, and never will condone what has been done by Bin Laden or his followers, but don’t include me please, as a Brit, in the nicest possible way:)

All trout are fish, but not all fish are trout.

G.A. Understood, it did however seem all BRITS were being tarred with the same brush, and that, includes me.I do not, and never will condone what has been done by Bin Laden or his followers, but don’t include me please, as a Brit, in the nicest possible way:)

Lincoln .7.

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And, with Mod hat on…..

When you say British People who supported Bin Laden, you didn’t state if you meant WHITE British people, or those of a slighter shade of white.

I think it perfectly clear that Avgas was referring to British people per se.

NOT being or trying to be,Racist.

Good, then there’s no need for anyone to mention race at all unless they were setting out to provoke other members of a particular racial background – which obviously you would never do as it would be a serious breach of the site owners Code of Conduct.

We are not going down that road.

Back on topic, please.

GA

You mention that a certain section of the American people supported the IRA but also there is a section of the British peoplee that support Bin Laden and his terrorist organisation. Don’t forget that the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers were British as were others that have subsequently been caught preparing to blow aircraft out of the sky! Also don’t forget at the time of his death he was planning to blow up an American train possibly killing thousands more!

None of the above has escaped my memory, which is nowhere near as selective as some other people’s memory appears to be.

Equally, none of the above supports the apparently prevalent belief that terrorism began on the 11th September 2001 and that only Moslems are terrorists.

Or perhaps you disagree?

When you say British People who supported Bin Laden, you didn’t state if you meant WHITE British people, or those of a slighter shade of white. NOT being or trying to be,Racist, obviously. just like to be clear on where your coming from on the British issue.I think your standing in a minefield of “Bouncing Betties” on what you have said.

Lincoln .7

We stood up for ourselves against the terrorists for decades, Avgas, while we watched their leaders being celebrated as heroes by certain elements within the USA.

We remember more than you seem to imagine.

I thought this thread was about Osama Bin Laden whom my comments were aimed at!

You mention that a certain section of the American people supported the IRA but also there is a section of the British peoplee that support Bin Laden and his terrorist organisation. Don’t forget that the 7/7 and 21/7 bombers were British as were others that have subsequently been caught preparing to blow aircraft out of the sky! Also don’t forget at the time of his death he was planning to blow up an American train possibly killing thousands more!

He is certainly better off dead than alive!

All the whys and wherefores are never going to change anything. The question I would like to know, is why are we dragged into everything thats going,and, as I for one as a Tax payer having to pick up the tab. If other Countries seek our help, and we give it, then they should pay for it.
It would seem to me, that the old saying of “Theres no such thing as a free meal”. doe’s not apply outside the walls of G.B. Is it not so long ago that we finished paying back the Americans for their help in WW11 ?.

Lincoln .7.

Standing by for incoming!!