P-51D-5-NA G-MRLL

Great to see this beautiful aeroplane coming to fruition 🙂

Epinal American Cemetary

Just had a look at the ABMC site for Epinal

http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries/ep.php

and like all of them its a beautiful and dignified place for the burial of such heroes . I know that one pilot who flew a P51 on the Ruhland mission -1st Sept 44 only recently had his remains discovered and has now been repatriated ,he apears to have been buried by civilians after the crash . I dont know the situation with Lt Winkleman I am afraid

According to the ABMC database 2nd Lt.Myer R.Winkelman is buried at Plot A,Row 36,Grave 41 of the Epinal American Cemetery. With all the debate on the originality of the aircraft does anyone know when the pilots body was recovered? during the war or during the recovery of the parts used in the rebuild?

G.O.

Marinell

I asked Yak 11 fan what the codes were for this aircraft -5Q – B as it happens , – interesting that a picture appeared in the Latest Flypast – funny old world aint it .Remarkable progress Mr Hammond is making on his next Mustang since I last saw it back in August ,have some Mustang Rebuild shots from Chino I took on the 30th January just which I think i will post in a separate thread .

thanks Chris you guys do a great job keeping the planes in tip top condition and great that you do so much for charity too ,will look forward to seeing Marinell on the circuit……… awesome !

Thanks Ron, looks nice. 13th August 44 was her last flight to date having entered service on 30th June 44

Marinell – Artists impression

Got round to doing it – I like painting Mustangs and Metal more and more !
I guess Marinell was shot down in June / July 44 ? So maybe she wouldn’t ave seen the winter of 44-45
Ron

I have watched this project from the very start and can assure you that it started as far more than a dataplate.
It makes me very cross that when people invest a huge amount of time and effort, not to mention money in restoring a warbird that people have to use phrases such as “questionable identity”

I wish everyone involved goodluck with this project, MH is doing a great thing by bringing another Mustang to life.

As i see it i would much rather see a substantial wreck rebuilt and brought to life than see a Static Airframe from a museum that could be original or near original condition rebuilt to fly.

As to rebuilding more recent crashed aircraft to fly , I understand that more recent Fatal crash Aircraft is a little more delicate point, But even then if the families of the person/person’s involved in crash have no problem with it then really why should we?, Yes its maybe its difficult at first and i have had my doubts in the past but really we should be thinking of preserving our history so our children and children’s children can still see things like mustangs fly in many years to come, It does not matter if the one flying is only part genuine if there is a original one intact in a museum for people to look at also, A flying Warbird does a lot for intresting people in the heroes who fought for our freedom.

I find it somewhat hard to believe that people who have the skills and energy to be so succesful in life that they can engage in warbird flying/rebuilding are allegedly so sensitive that they get offended when someone they don’t know comments on or critizises the provenance or paint scheme of their aircraft on the Internet. Somehow this doesn’t match. If I were fortunate enough to be in a similar position I really couldn’t care one bit what other people thought in this respect.

I just whant to put my opinion in on this.
To me it does not matter how much of the airframe is origional the sheer fact we will be seing another flying Mustang is great.

I have never met the owner but i am sure he is a very tallented guy. To do the restoration at his place with his own team is impressive. He deserves alot of respect, hes recoverd the remains of a beautifull ww11 aeroplane and is not just restoring her, is restoring her to fly again.

To me it does not matter if the aeroplane has 100s or no origional parts in it, its there to remember the thousands of men and women who paid the ultimate price for the freedom we enjoy now.

Ewan, you’ve spoiled the suprise for the markings the aircraft will appear in now….

I’m sure that whatever the history of this particular airframe, the owner is entitled to do whatever he wishes with it. If that means a bright Pink and lime green P-51 roaring around the skies of East Anglia, complete with tiger effect seat covers and furry dice, then at least we’ll see another classic aircraft in the air 😀

(PS, I’m sure that we won’t actaully see a pink and lime green P-51 flying, but it’s sure to be a nice example whatever happens…..)

PPS – Some of those ‘accurate’ colour schemes seen in the USA leave a lot to be desired

Marinell

Was pleased to see the shots in Flypast of Marinells progress – i really like the red and white chquerboard cowling -I will try and do an artists impression, -will be awesome to have two Mustangs at Hardwick -is someone going to fly Janie while Maurice flies Marinell ?-that will be a great photo

Thanks Ron

This is an historical forum.

If I hope to see the new German registered Me262 in a near future, this aircraft should be discussed either in general aviation or at airshow.

OFCS

Oh dear, time of month sweetie?

Hmmm. Judging from the fire you’ve been spitting on this thread, I guess it takes one to know one.:rolleyes: But I will admit to making a mistake. I should have just ignored you after your first post! Consider that done from now!

T J

Good for you!

T J

Oh dear, time of month sweetie?

Haven’t got a Mustang but I do actually have 6 aircraft ranging from modern to warbird matey.

Good for you!

T J

People like Maurice Hammond are the life and blood of the warbird industry. Anyone of you on this forum who think there are still substantial airframes around that can be overhauled to fly again pleas wake up and take a good look in the nearest mirror at hand: there aren’t any (airframes I mean, not mirrors 😀 ). And I don’t think most major museums would allow you to get their exhibits to fly again.

Some years ago I agreed personally with most negative comments about what is original and what’s not. But the industry has progressed so much that you cannot compare the situation of the seventies/eighties and the situation right now. The general standard of the industry is very high and we should be proud of their work and respect their workmanschip. I wonder why people get lured into this same old discussion time and time again. Why don’t you have a look in the archive, plenty of juicy stuff.

Keep those frame five specials coming, they are very welcome.

Cheers

Cees

P.S Not up for crucifixion of anyone including TJ or Swiss – I dont think they were actually ‘having a go’ or if it seemed that way, not intentionally.

Yak is one of the owners friends – so i can understand him defending a mate –

PAX to all?