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P-61 Black Widows

One of my favourite WW2 types, i see that the one on display in Beijing, China is now finally undercover after being outside for many years

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Air/Northrop-P-61B-Black/2209013/&sid=6b93cf30a14e8b343df4d9f3d61e05cf

Also the example in the USA with the Mid-Atlantic Air Museum is still making progress in its restoration to airworthiness. No time-scale given though for its completion

http://www.maam.org/p61/p61_rest_latest.htm

Are there any significant Black Widow remains left in the UK?

Rob

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By: CIRCUS 6 - 11th January 2013 at 06:36

Yes, 42-5533 which was abandoned and crashed near Nantwich. Dug in 1986 or thereabouts and the engines and a lot of structure recovered. Re dug in 2006. Unfortunately it had burned in the crater for days and was mostly in very bad condition. Notable finds were throttle, radar controls, armour, canopy framing, oxygen bottles and engine cylinder heads. The landowner also gave me a prop blade from the first dig, which had unfortunately been stood outside for 20 years! Most of what was recovered Mr Northrop himself would not recognise.

I used to have an engine cylinder from this aircraft, with valve and rocker. Very melted but was a piece of great pride for me at the time to own a piece of relative aviation rarity. Sadly, I had to leave it behind when we moved house…

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By: Flat 12x2 - 10th January 2013 at 21:50

Back in the early ’90’s I had access to one of Staravia’s remote storage sites, (old wooden buildings). I spent many an hour rummaging through the piles of boxes and parts , stored in the rafters were a pair of black undercarriage doors, I looked through many books trying to identify them with no luck. A few months later the buildings burned to the ground destroying everything in them. Some time later a pic in a book of a P-61 on the ground & hey presto , it was them , front gear doors. Had I have know at the time, I would have them now.

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By: pagen01 - 10th January 2013 at 20:54

My memory wasn’t that bad then! Seems incredible that anything survived from it.

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By: ian_ - 10th January 2013 at 20:44

Yes, 42-5533 which was abandoned and crashed near Nantwich. Dug in 1986 or thereabouts and the engines and a lot of structure recovered. Re dug in 2006. Unfortunately it had burned in the crater for days and was mostly in very bad condition. Notable finds were throttle, radar controls, armour, canopy framing, oxygen bottles and engine cylinder heads. The landowner also gave me a prop blade from the first dig, which had unfortunately been stood outside for 20 years! Most of what was recovered Mr Northrop himself would not recognise.

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By: pagen01 - 10th January 2013 at 19:37

I thought that as well Rob, but I think I might have been thinking of this thread, http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=96440

My memory isn’t brilliant, but I think Ian on here mentioned the P-61 crash site, may have been involved I wonder?

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By: Wyvernfan - 10th January 2013 at 18:04

Wasn’t there a notable section of P-61 found on an airfield or in a scrapyard many years ago, possibly in the fifties or sixties?

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By: G-ASEA - 10th January 2013 at 17:11

Small bits come up on ebay now and then from the one that crashed in the uk.

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