A few day ago a local court in Pakistan, rendered a judgement that the ‘sister’ of a male who was apparently seen in public with another female outside the family, should be gang raped as a consequence of her brothers behavour.
Apparently this type of decision is not that rare in Pakistan and it and other similar perversions frequently pass for justice there. Anyway, four males were appointed to carry out the sentence, did, and are now in trouble with a higher level court.
A bit twisted even for Pakistan but it may go toward explaining why the Pakistan male dominated society is often quick to externalise the cause of its problems.
Regards
By: Arabella-Cox - 12th July 2002 at 17:27
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-07-02 AT 05:51 PM (GMT)]Tweedle dee started this stupid thread with the sole intention of flame baiting his own slef confessed momment of weakness.
Yet,you’re so insistant on an india bashing topic.:D
About tweedle dee,
AFAIK he’s been way more polite(he always is)and has’nt said anything offensive or even aggressive.Maybe he just was curious and concerned and an immature little yasser who’s more concerned about pointing at india than addressing his own country’s problems who can’t stand credible criticism is just illustrating his own inability to debate.
Sauron,just don’t bother.This guy’s just begging for flames.
By: Pakistani - 12th July 2002 at 13:57
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Ah Harry….or can I call you tweedle dum!?
Tweedle dee started this stupid thread with the sole intention of flame baiting his own slef confessed momment of weakness.
A valiant attempt to blame me, but ultimately useless as it was not I did not create this thread……or may be Saron is an ISI sponsered Taliban operative and infiltrated this forum!? Yes, in that case its all my fault!
Grow up!
By: Sauron - 12th July 2002 at 13:51
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Harry
Good advice but I keep having these weak moments. 🙂
Regards
By: Arabella-Cox - 12th July 2002 at 13:36
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 12-07-02 AT 01:48 PM (GMT)]No single member of this forum posted a single post with regards to the gange-rapes,massacres,torture,mass murder, family burinings that happended in the Indian State of Gujrat in march. The Governer of Gujrat still has his job, no police were fired. 2000 people were massacred, the rape victims go into 1,000s , a report from the British Embassey in Dehli confirmed “state involvement” and the police aiding the rioters and rapists. No one was arrested!
Flamebaiting again? You’re truely pathetic and your true colors are painting very nicely.
What has India got to do with this topic?Was anyone comparing pakistan with india or has any indian even criticised this event in pakistan?Or is Sauron an indian?Why is it sooo important that someones needs to criticise India too when someone points out something bad in pakistan?Accute inferiority complex as usual.
I pray to God someone like you never reproduces…..
Sauron,just ignore the guy.He’s not worth your time.But again,you should think twice before starting topics like these because you know what to expect.
By: Sauron - 9th July 2002 at 16:03
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Actually Pakistani I don’t harbour any evil thoughts about Pakistan so don’t flatter yourself.
As far as Islam goes (flawed characture that I am) I find all the major religions distastfull, Islam no more, no less than the others. They are all nonsense. Dreamed up by egocentric charlatans as a means of exercising control over their fellowman for the purpose obtaining wealth, power and women. Male dominated and reactionary. Pretty simple stuff when you look at it.
As far as your concern about my reproductive possiblities, you are to late. Sorry.
Regards
By: Pakistani - 9th July 2002 at 15:07
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Sauron
I have just had about enough of your anti Islamic BS, suprise , suprise for the Saudi incident you dont provie a source, just hearsay, just like you did for the Pakistani “local court” , needless to say the truth of the Saudi matter may be very,very different and I will probaly find a press report that contridicts you (again!), for someone who does not not provide a single source, or has any knowledge of Islam you sure have a mighty big mouth.
Cant you take your hatred somewhere else, or was the whole purpose of you starting this thread , so you could stir up hatred.
I pray to God someone like you never reproduces…..
By: Sauron - 9th July 2002 at 14:55
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Pakistani
You are quite right about the events in India. I believe the world was pre-occupied with events in Palestine at that time and the world’s human rights groups and most of the western press were lining up to get interviews with Yaser. Far more people were killed in India than in Palestine, but the world had little time for it.
I started this to counter the growing numer of threads which use the subject of justice as a smokescreen to run down the US. They are so obvious that I thought it was appropriate to widen the discussion a bit and the rape judgement was fresh. I could just as easily have referred to the fire which occured in Saudi a short time ago (sorry I have forgotten the source) where the religious police preferred that a dozen school girls die in a fire rather than escape without their heads covered. It could be argued they got justice. Some would call it murder. It speaks volumes about justice in Saudi Arabia (and Islam).
Regards
Regards
By: Pakistani - 9th July 2002 at 09:11
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I just cannot belive the victimisation Pakistan comes under in this forum….
No single member of this forum posted a single post with regards to the gange-rapes,massacres,torture,mass murder, family burinings that happended in the Indian State of Gujrat in march. The Governer of Gujrat still has his job, no police were fired. 2000 people were massacred, the rape victims go into 1,000s , a report from the British Embassey in Dehli confirmed “state involvement” and the police aiding the rioters and rapists. No one was arrested!
So Sauron’compare this to Pakistan where the supreme Court is now crucifying the chief of Punjab police and several other officers have been fired and they have already made several arrests.
So when you so this is sick “even for Pakistan” I would really try and take a wider look at the world……
By: Arabella-Cox - 9th July 2002 at 02:34
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My motivation has nothing to do with my overbearing Pakistani wife or that Pakistani ba$tard at work that drives me hard and doesn’t pay me enough.
Scientifically it has been shown that the physical size of the human brain has little to to with the intelligence of the owner so we can discount that too.
The main reason I said what I did was so I could have my usual cheap shot at the US and its immoral foreign policy… eh Vort? }>
(BTW the first paragraph above is bollocks… the last lass that I was interested in was actually Bulgarian… I didn’t go anywhere with it because she was about 10 years my junior…)
By: keltic - 8th July 2002 at 21:16
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I don´t really think Sauron is critizing Pakistan or had anything against this country, simply is expressing a fact that we all knew and has appeared on the press and other media. Of course nobody is blaming the whole judicial system for that. It has been something shamefull which I assume, most Pakistanis reject. However I think that there´s a bit of a conflict between a civilized Pakistan and dark and integrist side which still is supported by the most extremist sides of society. What I deserve Pakistan is to be able to go ahead and advance, punishing these events and everyone related severly. I don´t think this is an isolated thing, and I wonder how many times, sharia or other code are applied. This time, media was close. There´s no need to get upset. Sometimes is very possitive accepting critisezing because it helps to analyse problems and solve them.
By: Sauron - 8th July 2002 at 17:13
RE: Pakistan justice system advocate of gang rap
Pakistani
You are quite correct, I should have stated that it was a tribal council. I did not say that this action was supported by the government and I did say that the authorities were taking action. But the event did take place and apparently no one at the local level tried to stop it.
I didn’t think at the time that it was necessary to post a source as the item had wide coverage but it was an Associated Press item which I saw first as well as a number of TV news segments. You seem to have had no trouble identifying the story so I am not sure how significant this point is.
I assume (correct me if I am wrong) that tribal councils similar to the one that made the rape judgment are a fundamental and trusted feature of society in some areas of Pakistan. If so, the fact that this punishment was conceived, anounced and allowed to be carried out in public without any intervension from members of the girls family, other people in the village or local authority, makes it a legitamate subject for this part of the forum IMHO. However, if you feel that this subject should not be noted here, then fine.
My motivation? Well a little balance perhaps. Maybe its worth noting that all the evil dosn’t reside in one place. Apparently, many here think it is fine to start provocative subjects as long as they get to choose the subject and the target, but that it is somehow unfair or unreasonable to discuss events such as the above.
Regards
By: Pakistani - 8th July 2002 at 11:58
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Kev
You raise a goodpoint, I cannot comment on how the government of Pakistan goes about its education and socila welfare policy. Should we spend less on defence and more on schools!? Yes, of course we should!
In Pakistan the donation of this money and building of this school is looked at the government sort of saying that this girl was very badly treated and we are aware of this. Similar things are done in teh villages of soldier killed in action, it is more s ymbolic gesture rather then standard school building / education policy.
By: kev35 - 8th July 2002 at 11:42
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Pakistani,
“The Pakistan government has given the family $8,000 as compensation and says a school will be built in Meerwala and named for the victim.”
Your tribal council punishments need to be stopped and it is good that you acknowledge the fact and that your Government are trying to stamp it out. I do however, find the above statement troubling. Compensation for the victim is fine, if not on the low side at just $8,000. It seems odd that something like this has to happen so a school can be built. I guess it’s the authorities attempting to say look, we’re going to do something about this problem so to take your minds off it we’ll build a school.
My question would be if you can build a school now, why couldn’t one be built before?
Regards,
kev35
By: Pakistani - 8th July 2002 at 08:41
RE: Pakistan justice system advocate of gang rap
Ah Sauron
So little knowledge in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing.
GerryB
I thought you would know better.
Before you post garbage on the internet I would seriously check your facts.
The Gang Rape was ordered by a “Tribal Council” rather then a “local court”, The Pakistan Army and Police are now tracking down the sickos who did this. Yes, this is a very very bad case, but ti imply that the government of Pakistan was behind the original judgement is wrong and blatantly untrue. The supreme court has ordered the head of Punjab police to appear before it and several senior policemen have been fired, one suspect is already in custody.
I dont know what your motives behind trying to blatantly mislead members of this forum are (you did not even post a source!), I dont really care, you may have a thing against Pakistan and Pakistanis (dumped by a Pakistani girlfriend, angry at a Pakistani boss, or just have a small brain), there are many faults with Pakistan and our justice system is far from perfect, but this can be said of many countries, but next time before you try and denegrate my country check your facts, otherwise you will look even more foolish then what you do now…….
By KHALID TANVEER
.c The Associated Press
MULTAN, Pakistan (AP) – A suspect in the gang rape of an 18-year-old girl as part of a tribal punishment was arrested Saturday after surrendering to a local newspaper, police said.
Faiz Bakhsh Mastoi was the second man arrested in connection with the June 22 rape in the past two days. Police are searching for two other suspects.
Bakhsh Mastoi went to the office of a local newspaper in Multan, a regional center in Punjab province, and identified himself as one of those wanted in the case.
“I’m surrendering at the newspaper office because I’m afraid that police may kill me in a fake encounter,” Bakhsh Mastoi told reporters.****
Police have been under pressure to capture the rapists after Pakistan’s Supreme Court accused local officers of negligence for failing to arrest them immediately after the crime.
Police said the woman was raped by four men after a tribal council in Meerwala village ordered that her family be punished after her 11-year-old brother was seen walking unchaperoned with a girl from a different tribe.
Police say the tribal verdict was illegal. But Pakistan has a tradition of tribal justice in which crimes or affronts to dignity are punished outside the framework of Pakistani law.
The rape has outraged rights groups, which have demanded an end to punishments by tribal councils. The Pakistan government has given the family $8,000 as compensation and says a school will be built in Meerwala and named for the victim.
The alleged rapists were well known in the village, and several of their relatives have been detained by police to pressure them to surrender to police.
Police said the suspects fled the village after the rape was reported to avoid arrest. The first man arrested was discovered Friday at a friend’s farm in southwestern Baluchistan province.
The victim’s mother, Allah Bachai, said on Saturday that the family had been threatened by relatives of the alleged rapists for reporting the crime.
Pakistan’s Supreme Court has ordered police and local officials to give it updates on the investigation. After criticizing police at a hearing on Friday, the chief justice ordered investigators to return to court July 11 to give a progress report, court officials said.
ISLAMABAD, July 6: Terming the gang-rape incident at Meerwala shocking the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) said on Saturday that culprits of this heinous crime deserved severest punishment under the Hudood Ordinance.
“This is a shocking incident which has brought disgrace to the whole nation,” said a press release issued here on Saturday.
The culprits of the gang-rape witnessed by a whole crowd, deserved the severest punishment under the Hudood Ordinance, the statement added.
The crime of culprits, abettors of the crime and Panchayat members was unprecedented and deserved severest punishment, the statement said, adding that the perpetrators had openly insulted the injunctions of the holy Quran and deserved an exemplary punishment under Islamic law.-APP
By: Arabella-Cox - 8th July 2002 at 01:42
RE: Pakistan justice system advocate of gang rap
But as long as it shares a border to Afghanistan that the US can use it will always be a friend and ally…
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