Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile

It would not have made sense that with only one test Pakistan can induct a cruise missile. Certainly help was given by the usual source(s)

http://www.forceindia.net/cover1.asp

the link above will change next month, so am posting the text also. all copyrights belong to Force mag.

Babur’s Flight

China propels Pakistan’s first cruise missile

BY Prasun K. Sengupta

The maiden test-flight of Pakistan’s Hatf VII subsonic cruise missile, also called Babur, on August 11 in a 200km-long overland flight trajectory over Pakistan’s south-western Balochistan province signalled the culmination of a year-long effort by China’s state-owned China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) to transfer the Babur’s licenced-assembly technology to Pakistan’s state-owned National Development Complex (NDC), located at Fatehgunj, 40km west of Islamabad. And contrary to popular speculation, present plans call for this cruise missile to be armed with only conventional high-explosive and blast-fragmentation warheads.

According to an August 2004 agreement inked between Beijing and Islamabad, one regiment of Babur (comprising 18 road-mobile autonomous launchers each carrying four canister-mounted cruise missiles), Battery and Regimental Command Posts, and missile reload vehicles (each carrying six rounds) are to be inducted by the Pakistan Army between this year and 2008. There are also plans to induct a naval, ship-launched variant of Babur in limited numbers by 2008. This variant will be mounted on twin-inclined quad launchers, thus enabling a principal surface combatant like the four F-22P guided-missile frigates (ordered last year by the Pakistan Navy from the China State Shipbuilding & Trading Corp) to carry eight Baburs.

CPMIEC as prime contractor is supplying all components of the land-based regiment as well as the naval missile variant and its quad launchers in semi-knocked-down condition, with the NDC undertaking their licensed assembly in a phased manner.

Apart from CPMIEC, three other state-owned Chinese companies — missile propellant provider China Great Wall Industry Corp (CGWIC), C3I systems provider China National Electronics Import and Export Corp (CEIEC) and wheeled armoured vehicles provider China North Industries Corp (NORINCO) — are involved with Pakistan’s guided-missile licensed-production effort. These companies’ military-industrial activities are coordinated by the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry (COSTIND), the weapons import-export arm of the General Armament Department of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army. Pakistani companies involved in cooperating with CPMIEC, CGWIC, CEIEC and NORINCO include East West Infiniti Pvt Ltd, Heavy Mechanical Complex-3, and the NDC and Integrated Defence Systems, both of which are subsidiaries of the state-owned National Engineering and Scientific Commission of Pakistan (NESCOM), headed by its Chairman Dr Samar Mubarakmand.

very similar to the Tomahawk, thats for sure.

View some pictures and chill out! 😉

Lets not discuss Brahmos here.

India did not get help with Brahmos, it is acutally a formal coorperation where both countries are developing the project together. (mor than just help :))

Also in terms of the answer given by the Indian official, a question was asked to him in terms of babur being like Brahmos and this answer must be put to context.

You get to respond to my post but why in the hell has my post been deleted? Is this a one-way street? I thought it was a discussion forum. :confused:

Admins, why did you delete my reply? What rule did I break? I did not do anything wrong. 😡

India did not get help with Brahmos, it is acutally a formal coorperation where both countries are developing the project together. (mor than just help :))

Also in terms of the answer given by the Indian official, a question was asked to him in terms of babur being like Brahmos and this answer must be put to context.

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Sorry for late reply was busy

Pakistani government and scientists have said there will be a sub launch version. Read the previous posts here, there are articles which mention that Pakistan will have air, ground and submarine launched versions 😎

i think that statement of it being capable of being launched from air/ground/submarine is more of response to PR statement for “another” missile. As it stands not even P-3 is capable of carrying Babar unless Pakistan can procure some bombers from China air launched version is quite unlikely.

Isn’t the MTCR more of a measure to prevent export of cruise missile technology rather than one that prevents other countries from developing their own?

And doesnt the fact that the US uses Tomahawk CMs extensively with great success, even though it has every other possible weapon available, show that CM DO play an important role in conventional terms?

It is self regulatory to prevent countries from devoloping long range missiles and aid in devolopment of countries devoloping them.

As for tomahawk its sucess is mixed main weakness is its lack of penetration capability, during one instance documented in CNN news article after the 2003 war, USN fired 8 tomahawks to destroy a Saddam palace/High value target. They left minor structural damages finally USAF decided to do itself and a sent F-16 with couple LGBs.

The result was two large carters, mission accomplished. There are many discussions on how effect cruise missiles will be in a future conflict with improving ADS an jammers, to counter that next generation of CMs are moving towards stealth and speed only time will tell how effective they will be.

Production on this missile starts next month. Pakistan has been working on this for 8 years and it is very logical to believe that several tests were already carried out on this missile before this public test. So once production starts, Pakistans inventory of CMs increases.

havent seen any report that production will start this year let alone next month, i find that hard to believe that pakistan wont release that information. Also the test seems more like a early trials not deployment trials based on appearance of the launcher.

http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/22/top3.htm

Pakistan to launch remote sensing satellite system

By Our Staff Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Aug 21: Pakistan plans to launch a self-controlled Remote Sensing Satellite System (RSSS) at a cost of Rs19.3 billion to ensure strategic and unconditional supply of satellite remote sensing data for any part of the globe over the year.

According to sources, the project will be executed by the Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (Suparco) over a period of six years. President Gen Pervez Musharraf has approved the project in principle.

The project will require another recurring expenditure of about Rs150 million per year and overall working expenses of about Rs1.15 billion.

The president, sources said, had directed Suparco to develop the capability to make and launch different types of satellites, specially, communications, remote sensing and weather satellites.

Pakistan’s space programme must contribute in the areas of mass education, information technology, communications, agriculture, mineral development, mapping and geographic information system, atmospheric sciences, environment and pollution monitoring and in various areas of national security, the president said.

On the completion of the project, high resolution satellite images will be available for national defence and security in any critical time. They will also enable universities and non-profit organisations to obtain satellite remote sensing data and carry out analysis for other application areas.

The project will help Pakistani engineers acquire comprehensive know-how and technology transfer. Thus, it will be a vital support for future in-house Pakistan remote sensing satellites of world standards to meet demands of enhanced capabilities.

This will help Pakistan coup with the commercial and strategic needs and open a new era of applied research and new trends for planning and implementation of public sector development projects for socio-economic uplift of the country.

Pakistan entered into space era in 1990 with the launch of its first experimental satellite Badr-1, an indigenous effort of Suparco, launched in low earth orbit by a Chinese vehicle from XI Chang Launch Centre.

Second satellite of Pakistan, Badr-2, launched in 2001, carried an experimental earth imaging payload.

The RSSS is highly sophisticated, application oriented, high resolution satellite that will be first of its kind in Pakistan to directly address the demands of today’s market.

Please read this first, –

Copyright © Vijainder K Thakur. May not be reproduced without explicit written permission

SOURCE (BABUR missile analysis)
http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/2111.aspx

-Mod

It is interesting how you have only posted the first article which may or may not have any truth to it but have not posted any of the rebuttles.

Please read this first, –

Copyright © Vijainder K Thakur. May not be reproduced without explicit written permission

SOURCE (BABUR missile analysis)
http://kuku.sawf.org/Articles/2111.aspx

-Mod

Suresh (double id of Sharif Smuggler) has been banned.

I wonder which Aircrafts will carry the Air-launched version of Babur…

At this moment only two look contender. C-130 & P3C-Orion. But I dont think they can perform well as its carrier. May be ought to buy B-52s.

I wonder which Aircrafts will carry the Air-launched version of Babur…

also note the janes report that standoff system sytems are in class of denel weopons. so it is not direct purchase but more of technology bought off.

Most definetly!! Either Pakistan has developed its own version, or has made modifications/alterations. They are armed on the Mirage aircraft of the PAF and will probably also be used on F-16s and JF-17s.

Also, it is said that their is another completely different H-4 missile, which is actually a BVR AAM 😀 it could either be the SD-10 or again like a Babur, a completely new Pakistani built BVR missile 😎

Air-launched stand-off systems in the class of the Denel-developed Raptor and MUPSOW families are understood to be in Pakistan Air Force service.

also note the janes report that standoff system sytems are in class of denel weopons. so it is not direct purchase but more of technology bought off.

The USA has made no negative comment. Neither has any other country. And no one, other than people on defence forums (Indians), have claimed this missile to have any connection to China or any other country.

thats correct. at this point Pak will not test any missile which has any kind of connection with china. US has put the harshest restriction on its most preferable ally Israel for dealing with china. so i dont think there is any truth of this missile connection with missile on sinodefence. the rules of game has changed. but this will jeoparadize F-16 deal in some other way.