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Part of Concorde tail 'fell off'

British Airways has launched an urgent investigation after part of a Concorde tail rudder fell off during a flight from London to New York, the BBC has learned.

It is the fifth rudder failure on a BA Concorde since 1989, despite changes to inspection procedures aimed at preventing such incidents

Air accident investigators are concerned that the incident is “very similar” to a previous one in 1998.

The Concorde pilots said they felt a continuous vibration as the aircraft decelerated from supersonic speed on its approach into New York last Wednesday.

After a normal landing they found that part of the lower rudder on the tail fin was missing.

None of the 96 passengers or nine crew on board were injured in the incident.

Visual inspections

The airline’s fleet of seven Concordes was re-equipped with new rudders 10 years ago, following a series of problems.

But a further incident occurred in 1998, when part of a lower rudder detached, again on a London to New York flight.

A report from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) said that improved, non-destructive and visual inspections should have detected that the metal skin and honeycomb core of the rudder were coming apart.

BBC transport correspondent Simon Montague says investigators want to know if subsequent tightening of investigation procedures failed to work.

But the AAIB stressed that Concorde remains safe to fly, even if an aircraft loses one of the four wedges which make up the vertical tail rudder.

Pilots have found that partial loss of the rudder does not significantly affect aircraft handling.

The Civil Aviation Authority, which regulates safety, says it has a continuing programme of monitoring Concorde rudders.

A spokesman said: “We are happy there is no safety risk, and happy for Concorde operations to continue”.

Panic

In November it was revealed that two BA Concordes had recently developed problems during transatlantic flights.

An engine failure forced one New York-bound plane to turn back to London and another flight was forced to cut its speed when cracks appeared in a window.

In another incident, engine failure forced an Air France Concorde to descend thousands of metres, reportedly causing panic on board.

November also marked the first anniversary of the return of Concorde passenger services, following the deaths of 113 people when one of the Air France planes crashed near Paris in July 2000.

BA Concorde rudder failures

27 November 2002: New York flight loses part of lower rudder
8 October 1998: Part of lower rudder detaches off Newfoundland
21 March 1992: Large section of upper rudder lost at twice speed of sound
4 January 1991: Portion of upper rudder separates during London – New York flight
12 April 1989: Part of upper rudder detaches at 44,000 feet

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By: andrewm - 4th December 2002 at 20:31

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BBC have reported “live” that the Rudder is hardly ever used and all the pilots they spoke to said it was hardly ever needed. Mind you these were concorde pilots.

Also CAA and BA aparently now saying honeycombe structed probably collpsed under some form of external pressure.

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By: Ant.H - 4th December 2002 at 20:01

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Having seen a brief bit of the news footage,it appears that an upper part of the rudder assembly came away,rather than the lower.Different cause to the problem than the earlier incidents??

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By: KabirT - 4th December 2002 at 15:52

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The rudder IS a very important part of flying and the aircraft. The rudder is mainly used to make currections and bring accuracy to the flight path. But in case of a flap failure or a engine failure the rudder helps alot in keeping the aircraft stable. If the right engine fails(eg. B737) all the load will be taken by L2 and the aircraft will band very fast towards left….rudder can stable the aircraft for some time by taking the pressure and banking the aircraft back to its origional place.

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By: andrewm - 4th December 2002 at 15:33

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What i meant was isnt the rudder used for making small adjustments compared to the ailerons as i would guess there is more wind going over the wing area than past the tail?

But hey i am only 16 and i dont study Aeronautical Engineering (yet!!) so I am just guessing!

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By: mongu - 4th December 2002 at 12:41

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I think a rudder is still an important control surface guys. The ailerons (elevons for Concorde?) just bank thr aircraft, so that it will fly in the same heading, just at a different angle.

The wings’ lift would move the aircraft in the right direction, but they wouldn’t point the nose in the right direction.

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By: andrewm - 4th December 2002 at 11:52

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Yep when u got ailerons to turn is rudder nessecary. I thought the only time it is really used is to line up with runway on decent and when u go over X speed on takeoff roll they control ur nosewheel

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By: geedee - 4th December 2002 at 10:13

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Beats me why they need two rudders anyway. In all cases so far tha ‘plane has continued the flight and landed safely. I was always under the impression that thr rudder was seldom used on jets of any type !

As usual, the media are blowing things out of all proportion…old airliner, aged plane with previous bad history etc etc.

Wish the media would crawl up a tail pipe of a groundworthy / airworthy/ fieldworthy / capable of starting Concorde and get the guy in front to start up the ruddy engine !!

Cheers

Gary (who by the way is over thirty and so far nothing has fallen off!)

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