PAST POLICE RECORD

I dont mean to fight or anything but im just taking it as im being told by a exDCC. Your right about more than just jail like community service.

At least we both agree legal system if f’d beyond recognition!

Technically your wrong Skypilot62 as Penalty points is NOT a conviction in the UK. If you loose your licence by penalty points this again is NOT a conviction but if you loose your licence through the court that is a conviction.

Not entirely wishing to enter into the finer points of legal discussion but….

I think you’ll find that the distinction I was making was that a conviction is not jail time only. The law about driving penalties is a whole seperate ball game and I was never a traffic plod, just a beat bobbie.

For example, you CAN be convicted for dangerous driving AND get penalty points as part of your “sentence”. You can get caught speeding and receive a fixed penalty and 3 points without recording a conviction. The law as they rightly say, is an ass!

Oh well, perhaps me ole typping skulls arn’t wot thay uzed too bee! 😉

Technically your wrong Skypilot62 as Penalty points is NOT a conviction in the UK. If you loose your licence by penalty points this again is NOT a conviction but if you loose your licence through the court that is a conviction.

I think clarification is needed.

A conviction is when you recieve jail time or your licence is suspended when talking about Driving. If you recieve penalty points and/or a fine (like i got for my accident) then it is not classed as a Conviction.

Not entirely accurate AndrewM…

A conviction is when a court finds you guilty of a given offence. The sentence MAY involve prison time but it could equally mean a sentence of community service or a suspended sentence or any other sort of penalty. A sentence is what is decided after the conviction. Therefore a conviction does not automatically involve doing porridge!

I think clarification is needed.

A conviction is when you recieve jail time or your licence is suspended when talking about Driving. If you recieve penalty points and/or a fine (like i got for my accident) then it is not classed as a Conviction.

all airlines use disclosure scotland for the crc, and the airlines don’t really use them its the id unit at the airport as to which if they should issue you an airside pass, it is only done on a basic level on the following areas.
personal details
convictions
reprimands,warnings and cautions
other relevant info.
to apply for one visit www.disclosurescotland.co.uk
hope this helps you.

All airside pass holders have had to undergo and are undergoing Criminal Records checks. BA do their’s through an agency in Scotland. Whilst BA or whoever MAY not worry about your past transgressions, DFT (not CAA) may well do so. If you can’t get an airside pass, it doesn’t matter how forgiving the airlines are. May I suggest a few discreet enquiries with DFT?

The crucial point will be a conviction as opposed to a caution. Driving offences, generally, will be irrelevant unless you’ve been involved in a fatality by drunk driving/ dangerous driving. A caution generally won’t be an issue but a conviction could prove sticky.

It was never my intention to try and hide my convictions, I was just worried that it may stop me becoming a commercial pilot

There are some convictions that will now totally prevent you from obtaining a UK airside ID – assumimg your transgressions were minor, no great problem, but best find out BEFORE you spend a fortune on a license.

Ren Frew, Yeah, it’s all a learning curve!

It was never my intention to try and hide my convictions, I was just worried that it may stop me becoming a commercial pilot 🙁

On another note why is it I can’t find pictures of any of the tomahawks that are based at GLA??? Considering they have been there for so long!!!!

Could anybody change this??? Maybe catch one on approach or takeoff.

Cheers 🙂

I’ve done many stupid things as a teenager, some of them involving criminal activity (minor :rolleyes: ) and some of them I look back upon now as being fantastic learning curves.

The point is that you are honest enough to ask if these matters willl affect you employment prospect through the medium of this forum? I think you’re honesty will win you friends?

As Moondance say, don’t try to hide it, you’ve admitted it was a regrettable episode in your life , so stroll on. 😀

Yes andrewm I was a teenager It has now been over 6 years and by the time I get my ATPL I imagine it could be nearer 11 years.

Thanks for the replies, it seems that it may not have that much of a negative effect (fingers crossed) on being employed as a commercial pilot.

Lets hope they see that it was a while ago and that I’m determined to make a career out of flying!!!

Cheers 🙂

They definetly dont affect it as i know of people with a variety of driving points etc who are pilots and atc! Plus someone recently asked on the oxford aviation forums and they were told that it shouldnt pose a problem

As for your drink drive conviction, that should not be too much of an issue but it will depend upon those conducting the interview. Factors that they are likely to take into account include how long ago the incident occurred; for example if it occurred when you were a teenager, they would most likely disregard it. The main thing is that it is not an offence that will prevent you gaining employment as a commercial pilot.

N.B. This was not about DMEs case but about someone else who was done for Drink Driving

Note in this where he says about being a teenager and DME were you a teenager as you said it happeneded just after leaving school?

Driving offenses where there has been no jail term sentance (i.e. just point and or fine) usually dont affect any jobs bar those like a Courier etc.

The heck they don’t. Maybe not in the UK but in the States, they do

Driving offenses where there has been no jail term sentance (i.e. just point and or fine) usually dont affect any jobs bar those like a Courier etc.

the Assault charge will be on your Criminal Record im afraid to say so it will show up in any checks no matter how deep or light. I wouldnt know if this would affect it but the CAA could use it againt you in the medical possibly if they dont think you could cope with high pressure situations like a high jacking etc but i dont think it would affect you that much.

I doubt very much airlines would see the fact that you have spent £50k on your own training as commitment, end of the day there are hundreds out there, myself included who have/will spend this much, in the current state of affairs its an employers market and they dictate what happens to a certain degree, with so many low hrs fATPL pilots out there to choose from they are not going to care one iota if you have spent £150k, the point is, as long as they dont have to pay for your training then i guess your in the running the same as most of us, it will all come down to the Airline’s preferences when looking at application forms etc as to who to call for an interview, and whether or not your criminal record will count against you? well you wont know if you dont try 🙂

Dean.

Plus, of course, you now are required to have a Criminal Record Check (CRC) in the UK, before you can get an airside ID – so little point in ‘forgetting’ about it, may as well be honest from the start.

I know of some airlines that check out police files etc. I guess it’s 50/50 chance of them finding out. Also, most application forms ask for any convictions.