Percival Aircraft (Zombie thread from 2003)

avion & Newforest

the high wing taildragger behind the Gull VH-CCM is an American post war 4 seat touring aircraft – the Stinson Voyager which I suspect has some parentage from the 2 seat liason aircraft from WW2 the Stinson L5.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Interesting. I thought that the Stinson Voyager was a two seater. My guess had been that it was a Stinson Reliant, judging by the stockiness of the fuselage and the appearance of the undercarriage legs and the spats. It reminded me of the SR-10 Reliant, G-AFVT, that belonged to the National Air Guard (what was that organisation?) and which I used to see frequently at Gatwick in the 1960s. Any idea, Mark, of what is the registration of the aircraft behind the Gull?

Photographed at Castellon de la Plana airfield in September 1970, was this Proctor the last Percival type to survive in Spain or was there an EP-9 somewhere which lingered on longer?Wicked Willip :diablo:

The Spanish EP-9 was EC-ASO c/n 25 ex G-APCT and it was cancelled in 1982.

I believe Proctor EC-AHB c/n H-463 is still current.

Other Proctors that were on the Spanish register were EC-AGL c/n H-123 ex G-AKWF, EC-AGT c/n H-534 ex G-AJCZ, EC-AGX c/n K-255 ex G-AIKG, EC-AHX c/n Ae-66 ex G-AHTI and EC-AJA c/n H-103 ex G-ALJH.

Last Percival in Spain?

Photographed at Castellon de la Plana airfield in September 1970, was this Proctor the last Percival type to survive in Spain or was there an EP-9 somewhere which lingered on longer?

Interesting to see there are 2 EP-9 relics surviving in Australia and can somebody tell us the history of those?

Cheers

Wicked Willip :diablo:

Percival EP.9

VH-DAI is now re-registered to a owner in Derrinallum, Victoria as VH-EPN

noted dismantled there in March 2005

avion & Newforest

the high wing taildragger behind the Gull VH-CCM is an American post war 4 seat touring aircraft – the Stinson Voyager which I suspect has some parentage from the 2 seat liason aircraft from WW2 the Stinson L5.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Can someone tell me what is the aeroplane behind the Gull Six VH-CCM in Mark Pilkington’s photo?

Might be a Rearwin or a Super Cruiser.:confused:

Behind the Gull

Can someone tell me what is the aeroplane behind the Gull Six VH-CCM in Mark Pilkington’s photo?

David,

I agree with your corrections, my info was transcribed from a Graham Potts booklet on aircraft in Australian Museums and other sources.

I would agree that The title of the Bull Creek collection on its main webpage logo is “The Aviation Heritage Museum” however I have seen references to it as the “The Aviation Heritage Museum of Western Australia” elsewhere including on their own website at

http://www.raafawa.org.au/wa/museum/facility.htm

and

http://www.raafawa.org.au/wa/museum/history.htm

which also refers to itself as “RAAF ASSOCIATION AVIATION HERITAGE MUSEUM”, and other such variations on webpages such as the “Reaching Us” page, but I am more than happy to accept the wording you indicate as the correct title.

My museum name reference in the “list” had more to do with space in the message “drafting window” to avoid wordwrap, rather than anything else (not that the final post implies a space or width limitation?) and its inclusion in the “list” along with the ANAM Proctor were “afterthoughts” since both had been seperately mentioned above, but I felt their inclusion completed the total list.

The collection assembled and maintained by the RAAFA in WA, regardless of its name, is an important and significant collection of historic aircraft.

regards

Mark Pilkington

Proctor Mark 1 VH-AUC at the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin

Other Percivals in Australia include:

D3 Gull Six G-AERD – static display – National Museum of Australia
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-FEP – static display – National Museum of Australia
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-AUC – static display – (Moorabbin as above)
P44 Proctor Mark 11 VH-AVG – static display – Central Aust Aviation Museum
P44 Proctor Mark 111 VH-BQR – static display – WestAust Heritage Centre
P44 Proctor Mark V VH-BCM – static display – Camden Museum of Aviation
EP9 VH-DAV – static display(fuse) -Lincoln Nitshke Collection

Airworthy/ under restoration
D2 Gull IV VH-UTP Flying Donald Johnston
D3 Gull Six VH-CCM Flying Ken Holdsworth
EP9 VH-DAI Flying Todd Miller
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-AHY project Ross Steinhouse
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-UXS (formerly VH-DUL) project Maurice Rolfe
Vega Gull II VH-ACA/BQA project Leigh Giles

Mark 11 Proctor VH-SCC and Mark 111 VH-AHR have apparantly left Australia for rebuild overseas

All a fitting tribute to Edgar Percival, an aussie born in Albury.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

Hi Mark,

Not to be too picky, but your list has the wrong model numbers for the Proctors. Correct model numbers are:

P.28 Proctor I
P.30 Proctor II
P.34 Proctor III
P.31 Proctor IV
P.44 Proctor V

Also, the museum here in Bull Creek, Western Australia is actually called the Aviation Heritage Museum (run by the RAAF Association of WA), and not “WestAust Heritage Centre”. Here’s their website (note – it needs updating, as aircraft collection has changed):
http://www.raafawa.org.au/wa/museum/

Regards,
David

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Proctor Mark 1 VH-AUC at the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin

Other Percivals in Australia include:

D3 Gull Six G-AERD – static display – National Museum of Australia
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-FEP – static display – National Museum of Australia
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-AUC – static display – (Moorabbin as above)
P44 Proctor Mark 11 VH-AVG – static display – Central Aust Aviation Museum
P44 Proctor Mark 111 VH-BQR – static display – WestAust Heritage Centre
P44 Proctor Mark V VH-BCM – static display – Camden Museum of Aviation
EP9 VH-DAV – static display(fuse) -Lincoln Nitshke Collection

Airworthy/ under restoration
D2 Gull IV VH-UTP Flying Donald Johnston
D3 Gull Six VH-CCM Flying Ken Holdsworth
EP9 VH-DAI Flying Todd Miller
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-AHY project Ross Steinhouse
P44 Proctor Mark 1 VH-UXS (formerly VH-DUL) project Maurice Rolfe
Vega Gull II VH-ACA/BQA project Leigh Giles

Mark 11 Proctor VH-SCC and Mark 111 VH-AHR have apparantly left Australia for rebuild overseas

All a fitting tribute to Edgar Percival, an aussie born in Albury.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

VH-BQR Percival P-34 Proctor III (cn K.392), at the Aviation Heritage Museum, Bull Creek, Western Australia:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1275994/L/

The Army had a couple – XM797 and XM819, and I think it is marked as the latter, although most of it is attributable to G-APXW.

As well as the ones in the USA & NZ another still survives in South Africa.

Wicked Willip :diablo:

That would fit as all you can gather from my photo is the fact that the last number is 9 code letter V

The S.A. one is a flyer.

The Army had a couple – XM797 and XM819, and I think it is marked as the latter, although most of it is attributable to G-APXW.

As well as the ones in the USA & NZ another still survives in South Africa.

Wicked Willip :diablo:

The Museum of Army Flying at Middle Wallop has an EP-9. I can’t remember the serial but I’ll have a look in my photo album tonight and see if I made a note of it.

Thanks for the pic of G-AOBI – I haven’t seen that one before.

That was take at Halfpenny Green in the late 60s I would say…

Did G-AOBI end up at East Kirkby or somewhere nearby?

Regards

Nige

Certainly taken at Halfpenny Green, when it was in the care of the Air Scouts there. Can’t remember exactly when but the date on the slide is Jul 70.

No idea where it went subsequently and always thought it must have faded away there.

However, if indeed it was incorporated into the one at East Kirkby maybe it went to Tattershall first – wasn’t there a well-known scrapyard there?

Wicked Willip :diablo:

Wait long enough and you might get lucky…

Wicked Willip :diablo:

Thanks for the pic of G-AOBI – I haven’t seen that one before.

That was take at Halfpenny Green in the late 60s I would say…

Did G-AOBI end up at East Kirkby or somewhere nearby?

Regards

Nige

Has anyone got a picture of Proctor G-AOBI – ex Air Scouts @ Halfpenny Green – last heard of up North somewhere

Thanks

Nige

Wait long enough and you might get lucky:D …..Incidentally is there a forum record for the time taken to provide an answer to a question?

Sorry if these have been posted before but whilst I’m about it here are some pics of other surviving Percivals.

G-ACGR Gull in the Brussels museum (they also have the Proctor seen behind), Jean Batten’s G-ADPR when it was at Old Warden (now back in New Zealand), Proctor 4 RM221/G-ANXR and EP-9 G-APWZ, which also now lives in NZ and is on their register.

Wicked Willip :diablo:

Maybe sacriledge but I would have loved to have seen a Pembroke fitted with turbines – in a similar nacelle to the Turbo Firecats

There was indeed a proposal in Huntings for a Turbo Pembroke in the late ’50’s. Naturally this would have involved a collateral requirement for the development of cabin pressurisation.
The joke in the company at the time was that it might be a start to succeed in keeping rain water out of the current Pembroke before actually considering a system for keeping air in.