Perry Class

what could be had new for the same price? (at least 2 hulls)

yep, only crazy people would buy 2 ships from the beggining of the 80’s that would cost the same as almost brand new ships

what could be had new for the same price? (at least 2 hulls)

Don’t forget that the ships are inoperative since the beginning of the decade, so reactivating them would indeed cost a lot, and for sure the longer it gets, the more expensive it is.

Honestly I doubt that the 12 and 14 will ever sail again.

Part of the reactivation is an end-to-end overhaul of all systems so that the ship can operate for several years without major repairs, and includes re-labeling everything in the ship to the language of the recipient navy.

thanks!

Yeah, for what I’ve heard the costs of reactivating both would have been more or less the same as Portugal paid for the 2 M-type frigates = 240 M€

What do they do for that kind of money?:confused:
At that cost, I doubt Ukraine will be interested.

FFG-12 and -14 were cleared to be transferred to Turkey, but the offer was rejected because of the high costs for transfer, refit and turning the cold ships to hot status.

thanks!

Yeah, for what I’ve heard the costs of reactivating both would have been more or less the same as Portugal paid for the 2 M-type frigates = 240 M€

FFG-12 and -14 were cleared to be transferred to Turkey, but the offer was rejected because of the high costs for transfer, refit and turning the cold ships to hot status.

“The George Philip was expected to join the Portuguese Navy in 2006, together with her sister ship Sides, but the Portuguese Navy dropped the offer and chose two Dutch Karel Doorman-class frigates instead.
The George Philip was expected to join the Turkish Navy in the summer of 2008, together with her sister ship Sides, but the Turkish Navy dropped the offer.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_George_Philip_(FFG-12)

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http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/29411/view/?service=1

“Addressing Naval Imbalance in the Black Sea After the Russian-Georgian War
Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 5 Issue: 227
November 26, 2008 01:28 PM Age: 140 days
Category: Eurasia Daily Monitor, Vlad’s Corner, Russia, Military/Security
By: Vladimir Socor

The United States and Ukraine are discussing the possibility of the U.S. handing over two frigates of the Oliver Hazard Perry class, armed with guided missiles, to the Ukrainian Navy. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Ukrainian Defense Minster Yuriy Yekhanurov broke this news on the October 8 during a meeting in Ohrid of the defense ministers of South-East European countries. The discussions are in progress.”
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=34199

“Gates says Ukraine wants warships, but has to wait
By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Thursday, October 9, 2008

I explained that process to the minister including the need for Congressional approval,” Gates told reporters. “I also advised that it would be some time before ships — U.S. ships of interest to Ukraine — would be available for transfer.”
http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=57987

btw,

does anyone know if the FFG-12 George Philip and the FFG-14 Sides , that are at Bremerton and were supposed to be sold to Portugal before we switched for the Dutch M-type (fortunately :diablo: ) , are confirmed to go to Turkey?

I read about that possibility some time ago but never herad of confirmation.

or maybe they will go to Ukraine, since they are the only 2 OHPs still in the USN with Mk-13 launcher?

I’ve been on two OHP Class Frigates. Impressive little ships with the key word “little” Yet, it is surprising how much they cram on so little displacement. While, they are clearly starting to show there age. In the day they were extremely capable nonetheless.:D

For a frigate, they aren’t so little at 4,100t :
La Fayette: 3,500t
Doorman (M): 3,300t
MEKO 200: 3,200t – 3,600t
Formidable: 3,200t

Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates

Displacement: 4,000-4,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 455 x 45 x 22 feet/138.6 x 13.7 x 6.7 meters
Propulsion: 2 LM2500 gas turbines, 1 shaft, 40,000 shp, 29 knots
Crew: 214
Radar: SPS-49(V)4 or (V)5 2-D air search
Sonar: SQQ-89(V)2 or (V)9 suite with SQS-56 MF active/passive keel mounted, SQR-19 TACTAS towed array
Fire Control: Mk 13 weapons direction system with Mk 92; CORT/SYS-2(V)2 combat system in FFG 36, 47, 48, 50-55, 57, 59, 61.
EW: SLQ-32(V)2 intercept or SLQ-32(V)5 Sidekick intercept/jammer, SLQ-25/25A Nixie torpedo countermeasure
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with RAST, 2 hangars (41-46 x 13-16 x 13-15 foot/12.5-14 x 3.9-4.8 x 3.9-4.6 meters); 2 SH-60B
Armament: 1 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes (Mk46 torpedoes), 2 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2-4 12.7mm MG
Notes: 1 Mk 13 missile launcher (40 Standard SM-1MR + Harpoon SSM) and SPG-60/STIR SM-1 guidance systems removed/disabled.

Hamilton class large patrol cutters (WHEC 715)

Displacement: 3,050-3,250 tons full load
Dimensions: 378 x 42.75 x 20 feet / 115.2 x 13 x 6 meters
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 diesels for cruise, 7,200 bhp (cruising range of 14400 miles at 12 knots); 2 FT4A gas turbines for boost, 36,000 shp, 28.4 knots
Crew: 178 (typically 167 Personnel: 19 Officers, 148 Enlisted)
Radar: SPS-40E 2-D air search; AN/SPS-73 Surface Search Radar; MK92 Fire Control
EW: WLR-1H(V)5, WLR-3 Electronic Support Surveillance Equipment; SRBOC decoy RL
Communications: MF, HF, VHF, UHF Communications (Line of Sight & Satellite)
Aviation: midships helicopter deck with hangar and Talon hauldown system ; 1 HH-60J/HH-65A helicopter
Armament: 1x 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2x 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2x 12.7mm MG
Notes: Originally carried a 5″/38cal gun forward, Harpoon missiles and sonar(s).
The early gas turbine engines in these ships are inefficient.
Modernization: Underwent FRAM life extensions 1985-1992; work included habitability and communications improvements, all new armament, rehabilitation of helicopter facilities, new radars.

Bertholf class National Security Cutter (Deepwater program, WMSL 750)

Ship Control: Integrated Bridge
Displacement: 4306 lt. full load
Length: 418 ft, 125.2m LOA
Maximum Beam: 54 ft, 16.46m
Draft: 21 ft, 6.42m
Max Speed: 28 kts
Endurance: 60 Days
Range: 12,000 NM
Crew Berthing: 148
Boat Facilities: Stern Launch Ramp (1), Can Carry up to (2) 11 M Long Range Interceptor Boats
Aviation Facilities: Level 1, Class 1, (1) HH-65 and (2) VUAV or (2) HH-65 or (4) VUAV
Level 1, Class 2, HH-60J, SH-60 (all), MH60S, VRS
Weapons: (1) MK 110 57 MM, (1) CIWS, MK 53 NULKA
Replenishment: Fueling at sea, Vertical Replenishment
Propulsion: CODAG, (1) Gas Turbine, (2) Diesels
Electric Plant: (3) 1360 kW Ship Service Diesel generator Sets
Carries:
– Long Range Interceptor
– Short Range Prosecutor
– VUAV / Helo Deployment Combinations

I think you could make a good case for the USN and USCG sharing a similar platform.(i.e. hull) With the Naval version as a Frigate and the Coast Guard as a Ocean Cutter.

I’ve been on two OHP Class Frigates. Impressive little ships with the key word “little” Yet, it is surprising how much they cram on so little displacement. While, they are clearly starting to show there age. In the day they were extremely capable nonetheless.:D

Wanshan, thanks for interesting info.

I assume the 6.7m is the “height” of the ship? How is this measured? (Apologies for asking such naive questions)…

The 6.7m is the depth… how far below the surface of the ocean the bottom of the hull is when fully loaded.

Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates

Displacement: 4,000-4,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 455 x 45 x 22 feet/138.6 x 13.7 x 6.7 meters

Wanshan, thanks for interesting info.

I assume the 6.7m is the “height” of the ship? How is this measured? (Apologies for asking such naive questions)…

How many decks (“floors”) does the Perry class have?

I think I have seen a picture of a Perry class (Adelaide?) with MK41 (I presume tactical length? which is 6.76 m long) sticking up quite a bit above the deck.

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Diesel LCS?

I read recently that the USCG was considering a Diesel Powered “LCS” as a option in the future……….:confused:

Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates

Displacement: 4,000-4,100 tons full load
Dimensions: 455 x 45 x 22 feet/138.6 x 13.7 x 6.7 meters
Propulsion: 2 LM2500 gas turbines, 1 shaft, 40,000 shp, 29 knots
Crew: 214
Radar: SPS-49(V)4 or (V)5 2-D air search
Sonar: SQQ-89(V)2 or (V)9 suite with SQS-56 MF active/passive keel mounted, SQR-19 TACTAS towed array
Fire Control: Mk 13 weapons direction system with Mk 92; CORT/SYS-2(V)2 combat system in FFG 36, 47, 48, 50-55, 57, 59, 61.
EW: SLQ-32(V)2 intercept or SLQ-32(V)5 Sidekick intercept/jammer, SLQ-25/25A Nixie torpedo countermeasure
Aviation: aft helicopter deck with RAST, 2 hangars (41-46 x 13-16 x 13-15 foot/12.5-14 x 3.9-4.8 x 3.9-4.6 meters); 2 SH-60B
Armament: 1 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2 triple 12.75 inch torpedo tubes (Mk46 torpedoes), 2 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2-4 12.7mm MG
Notes: 1 Mk 13 missile launcher (40 Standard SM-1MR + Harpoon SSM) and SPG-60/STIR SM-1 guidance systems removed/disabled.

Hamilton class large patrol cutters (WHEC 715)

Displacement: 3,050-3,250 tons full load
Dimensions: 378 x 42.75 x 20 feet / 115.2 x 13 x 6 meters
Propulsion: 2 shafts; 2 diesels for cruise, 7,200 bhp (cruising range of 14400 miles at 12 knots); 2 FT4A gas turbines for boost, 36,000 shp, 28.4 knots
Crew: 178 (typically 167 Personnel: 19 Officers, 148 Enlisted)
Radar: SPS-40E 2-D air search; AN/SPS-73 Surface Search Radar; MK92 Fire Control
EW: WLR-1H(V)5, WLR-3 Electronic Support Surveillance Equipment; SRBOC decoy RL
Communications: MF, HF, VHF, UHF Communications (Line of Sight & Satellite)
Aviation: midships helicopter deck with hangar and Talon hauldown system ; 1 HH-60J/HH-65A helicopter
Armament: 1x 76mm OTO DP, 1 20mm Phalanx CIWS, 2x 25mm Bushmaster low-angle, 2x 12.7mm MG
Notes: Originally carried a 5″/38cal gun forward, Harpoon missiles and sonar(s).
The early gas turbine engines in these ships are inefficient.
Modernization: Underwent FRAM life extensions 1985-1992; work included habitability and communications improvements, all new armament, rehabilitation of helicopter facilities, new radars.

Bertholf class National Security Cutter (Deepwater program, WMSL 750)

Ship Control: Integrated Bridge
Displacement: 4306 lt. full load
Length: 418 ft, 125.2m LOA
Maximum Beam: 54 ft, 16.46m
Draft: 21 ft, 6.42m
Max Speed: 28 kts
Endurance: 60 Days
Range: 12,000 NM
Crew Berthing: 148
Boat Facilities: Stern Launch Ramp (1), Can Carry up to (2) 11 M Long Range Interceptor Boats
Aviation Facilities: Level 1, Class 1, (1) HH-65 and (2) VUAV or (2) HH-65 or (4) VUAV
Level 1, Class 2, HH-60J, SH-60 (all), MH60S, VRS
Weapons: (1) MK 110 57 MM, (1) CIWS, MK 53 NULKA
Replenishment: Fueling at sea, Vertical Replenishment
Propulsion: CODAG, (1) Gas Turbine, (2) Diesels
Electric Plant: (3) 1360 kW Ship Service Diesel generator Sets
Carries:
– Long Range Interceptor
– Short Range Prosecutor
– VUAV / Helo Deployment Combinations

Not even these 😉

Which, have a very similar armament to the Perry’s without Standard Missiles.;)

Good Point………….You don’t see USCG Cutters armed with Standard Missles.;)

Not even these 😉

Hence me saying Scoot old Buddy, that these ships make great USCG vessels.

Good Point………….You don’t see USCG Cutters armed with Standard Missles.;)

Perry class FFG 7 was designed and classify as guided missile frigate FFG and still now as guided missile frigate in US Navy classification not as Ocean Patrol Vessels and I think is better classification as artillery frigate FF so.