Pilot's Notes: Facsimile or not ?

There are 3 editions of the Chipmunk T Mk 10. The first 2 are stapled slim pamphlets with blue card covers, the 3rd rather larger and thicker in a dark blue plastic cover and each page is perforated.
None of these are rare and should be readily available in decent condition for around £15 to £25.

If I may prevail upon those looking at this thread who are likely experts on the subject

Can you advise me of the value of a Chipmunk PN – it is definitely original.

I have a set ‘on loan’ and would like to make the owner a fair offer (if I can afford it)

Roger Smith.

I will give you an answer in $, it depends of course of the book condition, edition number, chipmunk model, but between $30 and $70, not more.

Benoit

Chipmunk Pilots Notes

If I may prevail upon those looking at this thread who are likely experts on the subject

Can you advise me of the value of a Chipmunk PN – it is definitely original.

I have a set ‘on loan’ and would like to make the owner a fair offer (if I can afford it)

Roger Smith.

Squandered??????

Sometimes the line is on the back. I just tripped myself up on evilbay. Waited smugly for a set of ‘original’ Sunderland notes to turn up with a couple of other publications. On opening the package there was the copyright on the back. £4.99 squandered!

Are you joking? £4.99p for a set of original notes!! If you thought that you would get anything original for a fiver you are nuts. You really need to shape up.

The best giveaway is as Alan says

Another giveaway is where the cockpit views are folded but you can see where the original folds were meant to be by the darker lines. I have been collecting Pilot’s Notes and Flight Manuals for half a century – and I have been caught out as some reprints did NOT show the Crown copyright message but yet were obviously of some age. If you see ‘reproduced by permission of US Government’ you can be assured it is NOT the original, just a copy. The first Pilot’s Notes to be produced separately from the Volume One for the type had orange paper covers and were held together with India tags.

Another clue is that the originals often have amendment slips gummed onto the relevant page, making them twice as thick and very obviously altered. In the reproductions, these just appear on the flat surface of the paper as though they are part of the original printing.

To make it short :

– Mention “Crown copyright Reproduced with the permission” and “Air data Publications” in the back => copy
– Mention “Restricted (for official use only) => Original
(see attachments)

Last question is about “reproduced by permissions of US government”. I have one Boston IIIA PN with this note but nothing written on the back …

But if you don’t ask the question – particularly utilising the information that Mark 12, ian_ and avialogs have provided – then you don’t know what answer you’ll get. And if you don’t ask the question, then you take the risk. It’s as simple as that!

Some sellers do not even know what they sell… It seems that some of them are from the 70 and as the pagen01 mentioned, the low quality of paper make them look the same as originals..

The mention “Reproduced by permission of the united states Government” means it is a repro too ?

That’s all very well but sometimes the seller won’t know, some of the reproductions have been in circulation for so long now that they take on the appearance of the originals.
I’ve often wondered the same as the OP, and glad to see it clarified.

The other thing I’ve wondered, did PNs originally come in ring binders and the little blue booklets?

………which just makes the point – ask the question of the seller, namely is what he/she/it is selling an original or a reproduction? If you get an evasive response, draw the obvious conclusion! If it is asserted that it is an original – and when it arrives, it proves not to be – then you’ll have a stronger case to make to the dark side – oops, I meant the eBay management – that the seller is guilty of misrepresentation and, if you’ve overpaid, to reclaim your payment from him/her/it. Otherwise, expect the maxim ‘caveat emptor’ to prevail. But generally, if the price appears to be too good to be true – in all probability it will be!

Sometimes the line is on the back. I just tripped myself up on evilbay. Waited smugly for a set of ‘original’ Sunderland notes to turn up with a couple of other publications. On opening the package there was the copyright on the back. £4.99 squandered!

If the base line on the front cover reads:-

“Crown Copyright: Reproduced by permission of Her Majesty’s Stationary Office’

It is an Air Data Publications repro.

That line is the giveaway on ebay even if it can’t be read.

Mark