Piper Super Cub G-CUBP

And just to confuse things a little further: D-EIAC was imported into The Netherlands early 1994 by Piet de Crom. He reserved registration PH-WDP for it in April 1994, although this was never taken up due to the aircraft being written off at Harreveld May 25th, 1995 (the wreck went to the UK for restoration).

Pic over Bicknor

I live opposite the airfield where (i think) the cub lives, i see it alot. reading the thread was interesting, I have wanted to know more about the airframe. sorry to be nosy.

Just when you think the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed, a little gremlin creeps in called the German Aircraft Registry which quotes D-EKAF having a c/n of 18-4649 and cancelled w/e 13/3/73!:diablo:

Very very interesting read and thanks to SGS for putting the matter straight. Least we all now know what happened to the two airframes. I’m now quite tempted to obtain one of those prints of D-EKAF, knowing that is CUBP.

As to photos of CUBP, please find three taken at Eggesford, together with something showing the airframe in Microsoft’s FS2004 of all things. A group of gentlemen as you can see are quickly working their way through the aeroplanes based at this Mid Devon Airfield.

Thanks again to all for contributing to this thread.

Best wishes,

Martin

D-EKAF
http://www.transportphotos.com/air/photo/WB00025-08

G-CUBP

As you say, the history of the aircraft here, incl. the current owner. Unusually, there is no photo.

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=CUBP

It was based at Shotteswell, Banbury by Paul Grenet until about 5 years ago. It was then in pristine, new condition in classic yellow. He might have an old photo? Check out the previous owner file and write some letters?

Hope helps

HP

According to Air-Britain data, although registered as frame 18-8823 which is/was the official identity of N1136Z / D-EIAC, it was rebuilt 1984/5 with Frame No. 18-4613 ex D-EKAF this frame was fitted to G-BVMI following accident on 15.8.95 and the repaired frame of G-BVMI became G-CUBP.
Their register shows G-CUBP as 18-8482 ex N1136Z
Frame No. 18-8725 is also mentioned re G-BVMI, OH-PIN, N4262Z.
So pick the bones out of that lot!

Best wishes
Tim

I am a bit late spotting this post, but I just want to correct the above information. Air-Britain have this wrong. I think I know where they got the info., but they were given a bum steer. I feel the right to say this since I owned G-BVMI for the last 10 years or so, though sold her to Italy quite recently.

The two aircraft were re built side by side, after accidents. The serial numbers stayed with the aircraft, as did the frames, with one exception. In the top of a Supercub above the pilots head is a diagonal frame member which serves to stiffen the aircraft. This is the tube on which the frame number is recorded. In repairing the aircraft, in error, these tubes were switched by the welder.

There is no doubt that with the exception of the above mentioned tube, the frame of G-BVMI is the same frame that it flew with for many years in Finland as OH-PIN. Why do I say this? Well, for example in Finland OH-PIN had a third fuel tank and transfer pump. During the 10 years of my ownership vestigial elements of this remained. The original data plate with serial number 18-8482 and logs confirm this also.

So, in summary, the aircraft are as they were, with just the tube with the frame numbers switched.

And yes, it was Michael Bentine’s son that was killed in one of the batch. Believe that this was in the New Forest.

Martin

No, no, no. Nowhere near me. Stuart Bentine took off from Lasham on 28/8/71 in the tug PA.19, G-AYPN without notifying anyone and no-one noticed the plane was missing until it was required days later. The plane was discovered on 31/10/71 when leaves starting falling from the forest at Ditcham Wood near Petersfield.

Some of it if from distant memory and the person who would know best is David Schofield of Schofield Aviation (who builds glider trailers).

I think these were ex-military from Belgium?
Regards

Miles Dugmore
New Zealand

Miles,

Thank you so much for your reply. We now have the complete history of PO (apart from its French military duty) and know that it was rebuilt by Mr Schofield using a Belgian frame as the fuselage. From what I can gather the remainder of the original PO was used in the rebuild of another British Cub!!

When the Cubs arrived at Blackbushe they were all painted in their French Army schemes with the civilian regs, daubed in white paint. Would be nice to see photos of them, if anyone has any. Circa 1971.

PM is up at Eggesford, now having been restored back into its original configuration and military colours.

And yes, it was Michael Bentine’s son that was killed in one of the batch. Believe that this was in the New Forest.

Thanks again,

Martin

Piper Cub G-AYPO, G-AYPP, G-AYPR

Hello Martin,

I see your post is rather old but I can shed some more light on these cubs.

Some of it if from distant memory and the person who would know best is David Schofield of Schofield Aviation (who builds glider trailers).

I think these were ex-military from Belgium? I think David was the first UK operator of PO, and was used as a glider tug at the Swindon Gliding Club at the old South Marston Airfield (ex WW2 Vickers Armstrong) – now a Honda factory. David has the miss-fortune to hit power wires when going to retrieve a glider that had landed out in a field – Shropshire somewhere I think. Hence the need for a re-build which David undertook over a period of time.

I think PP and PR spent some time at Blackbush as training aircraft – I did my PPL there on these aircraft.

One or both at some stage ended up at Lasham Gliding Club to be used as tugs.

I think it was the son on Michelle Bentine who was killed piloting one of these cubs. He was found I think about two years after the aircraft was “lost” – nose down in a forest – but I guess you could put me right on that.

Regards

Miles Dugmore
New Zealand

Thanks Tim for your help. Sounds very interesting to say the least. SO…..the current airframe is then built from the old frame (18-8482) of G-BVMI? (My brain hurts trying to work it all out:)).

I did have the same problem a few years ago when trying to work out the history of G-AYPO, a L-18C which was rebuilt using the frame of another L-18C when the original was too damaged to rebuild. THEN…..a few years later the original frame was incorporated into another UK based Cub!

Think I’ll stick to Harvard histories!

Again thanks very much.

Best wishes,

Martin

According to Air-Britain data, although registered as frame 18-8823 which is/was the official identity of N1136Z / D-EIAC, it was rebuilt 1984/5 with Frame No. 18-4613 ex D-EKAF this frame was fitted to G-BVMI following accident on 15.8.95 and the repaired frame of G-BVMI became G-CUBP.
Their register shows G-CUBP as 18-8482 ex N1136Z
Frame No. 18-8725 is also mentioned re G-BVMI, OH-PIN, N4262Z.
So pick the bones out of that lot!

Best wishes
Tim