PLAN News, Photos and Speculation #3

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Mock ups are fine for crew training and for carrier equipment testing. It seems Varyag is ready to receive real aircraft. I wonder if J-15 pilots also practice carrier take offs and landings on carrier mock up.

The mock up only serves to learn movement and handling of aircraft on deck. It’s an ordinary building whose roof is not made using the materials and equipment of a real carrier deck.

For testing and training the Chinese have a NITKA-type simulator as Deino mentioned.

Varyag returning home from herf 4. cruise:

http://www.56.com/u81/v_Njc5MDUzNTg.html

Mock ups are fine for crew training and for carrier equipment testing. It seems Varyag is ready to receive real aircraft. I wonder if J-15 pilots also practice carrier take offs and landings on carrier mock up.

Not on a real carrier mock-up but at the CFTE in Xian-Yanglian … just take a look at GE and You can clearly see a ski-jump take off + ramp.

Mock ups are fine for crew training and for carrier equipment testing. It seems Varyag is ready to receive real aircraft. I wonder if J-15 pilots also practice carrier take offs and landings on carrier mock up.

The J-15 and Z-8 mock ups look very similar to the ones used on the Varyag carrier mock up (might even be the same), considering the crew practiced deck handling skills with them on the mock up its a logical next step to see them on the real thing.

Full size version of the pic here.

That J-15 is a mockup.

Varyag 16.3.2012 … the arresting wires and tie down cables were finally installed !

http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/thread-466419-1-1.html###

Aside from the visitors on deck its interesting to see the accommodation ship is moored forward of Varyag (please oh please China can you reveal her official name). That means a couple of things, firstly Varyag will sortie soon and secondly the crew are still mainly living at land based facilities (my guess the huge mock up):

from military photos.

They are in training, thats for sure.

Taking the dangers of FOD very serious by the looks of it!!!!!!

Regards
Pioneer

from military photos.

They are in training, thats for sure.

Deck still looking pristine. Start looking for tire marks upon return?

Not a chance.

Expect at least 6 months of ship’s systems trials and remediation work before the first attempt to land a fixed-wing aircraft aboard.

A set of take-offs (with landings ashore) is likely to also take place first, with the aircraft craned aboard in port (they would likely be moved into the hangar before the ship sailed, though).

Helicopter operations can begin almost immediately, however… and would be a good way to start working up the flight-deck personnel into a properly functioning team before the first fixed-wing aircraft is launched or recovered.

… left port this morning again !

Deck still looking pristine. Start looking for tire marks upon return?

… left port this morning again !

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Since we talked about fantasy little earlier, let me put someones evil fantasy… :dev2:

Unmasking China
By Bharat Verma
Issue: Vol 24.3 Jul-Sep 2009 | Date: 13 June, 2011

China will launch an attack on India before 2012.

There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century. The recession that shut the Chinese exports shop is creating an unprecedented internal social unrest. In turn, the vice-like grip of the communists over the society stands severely threatened.

Unemployment is on the rise. The unofficial estimate stands at a whopping fourteen percent. Worldwide recession has put thirty million people out of jobs. Economic slowdown is depleting the foreign exchange reserves. Foreign investors are slowly shifting out. To create a domestic market, the massive dole of loans to individuals is turning out to be a nightmare. There appears to be a flight of capital in billions of dollars in the shape of diamond and gold bought in Hong Kong and shipped out towards end 2008.

About the author

Bharat Verma, a former Cavalry Officer is Editor, Indian Defence Review, frequently appears on television as a commentator, and is author of the books, Fault Lines and Indian Armed Forces

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/2009/08/unmasking-china.html

Thank God (???) that he got bored with his army duties at a very early stage and left the army as Captian….. So our Captain have got 19 more days to prove he was right. Maybe he have got some secret missiles & launchers at an undisclosed place near the border which he might launch any time soon and expect a Chinese retaliation and hence proving his theories right :p ….or maybe he have got some other tricks up his sleeves to make the Chinese attack possible? 😮

FORCE magazine? You mean Prasun Sengupta? You realise over half of what that guy publishes is fantasy?:D

I’m not sure the Type 054B in your image even exists, because one of the reason the Type 052C destroyer hasn’t been built in numbers is because its Aegis-style radar and combat management system are very expensive. The Type 054 is a frigate that doesn’t have fleet air defence as a primary objective, and as such it’s better to produce it in series with the Fregat-analogue radar; that’s more than adequate for it.

It doesn’t matter to me if its Prasun Sengupta or Ajai Shukla or Shiv Aroor or anyone else. Because to even fantasize, a person needs to use his head… And when it comes to fantasizing, how can we miss the Indian military forums :p… but lets leave it for now, beacuse all fantasize and is not limited to few individuals.

The fact here w.r.t the 054B from force magazine is that none of the Indian media or the Indian internet warriors have the capability (as far as I know) to produce the kind off CG that I posted, which I got from force magazine. Even the best detailed drawing & CG that I have seen for India’s very own LCA Tejas is not made by any Indian, but by the very talented TopGun Chen.

And i wanted to know few things about this 054B…. ie. Origin of this CG, details regarding the “design” & the facts regarding the successor to the 054A Frigate… that is what I’m looking for. I was not successful in finding it myself with my search and hence though of asking the forum members. I’m not even sure if its a Frigate or Destroyer, but it does have its overall similarity to the 054A except for the weapons fit & sensors.

I was not speculating… I posted that 054B picture to have any more of the same CG and what is the fact about it. I couldn’t find any similar CG after searching so thought of asking if any of you guys have anymore of this version.

That picture is from FORCE magazine and found it interesting as it was a good evolution of the current 054A. So my question still remains.. anymore pictures of this model and what (if any) details of the Type-054Bor what ever version that is to succeed the 054A.
TIA

FORCE magazine? You mean Prasun Sengupta? You realise over half of what that guy publishes is fantasy?:D

I’m not sure the Type 054B in your image even exists, because one of the reason the Type 052C destroyer hasn’t been built in numbers is because its Aegis-style radar and combat management system are very expensive. The Type 054 is a frigate that doesn’t have fleet air defence as a primary objective, and as such it’s better to produce it in series with the Fregat-analogue radar; that’s more than adequate for it.

there really is no point keep speculating on this. When it comes out, you will see what it looks like. There is enough going on in the shipyards, that people shouldn’t have to fantasize about new magical systems.

btw, it looks like the 5th 054A from HD shipyard is on sea trials and the 6th one just got launched. The 7th 054A from HP sipyard is almost ready to be launched.

I was not speculating… I posted that 054B picture to have any more of the same CG and what is the fact about it. I couldn’t find any similar CG after searching so thought of asking if any of you guys have anymore of this version.

That picture is from FORCE magazine and found it interesting as it was a good evolution of the current 054A. So my question still remains.. anymore pictures of this model and what (if any) details of the Type-054Bor what ever version that is to succeed the 054A.
TIA

Any more pictures of this Type-054B firgate? I couldn’t find similar pictures of this 054B with search. Or is it a different class – a destroyer?

This looks more meaner than the 054A in which the fore deck is filled with the MG & AD missile cells.

there really is no point keep speculating on this. When it comes out, you will see what it looks like. There is enough going on in the shipyards, that people shouldn’t have to fantasize about new magical systems.

btw, it looks like the 5th 054A from HD shipyard is on sea trials and the 6th one just got launched. The 7th 054A from HP sipyard is almost ready to be launched.