PLAN Thread (Pics, news, speculations…everything)

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Well, the fire control for HQ7 is also gone. But the launcher and radar bases are still visibly there. So my guess is it was temporarily removed while undergoing refit and will be reinstalled.

527 come out of refit yard.Wondering where is the HQ-7 missiles? (Replace with VLS?)

A 053HT of the Royal Thai Navy, the Kraburi, washed aground by the tsunami.

I was not referring to the pump itself (blue) but rather the square base on which is rests (black). That seems similar to what sits in front of the bridge of 115. On the Type 054s , the round base for the HQ7 launcher sits just in front of that square and is relatively small.

I think, thats the VDS of the Luhu (052)…

I believe Towed Array Sonars are like a long thick rope……(maybe Jonesy or serv could elaborate on that….)

yeah, but i wasnt sure if they had something bigger at the end to create more drag and to help make the retraction process a little easier. in hindsight, you are probably spot on. 😉 never mind.

pic of 054 in the final stages of fitting. note that the air pump is considerably bigger then the ‘box’ of the 115.

I highly doubt the Yuan will be exported to any one soon. If there are any SSKs to be exported ny China, it would be the mothballed Romeos (if anyone wants them.)

Wrong! Type 039G will be target for overseas market! 😉

PLAN towed (array?) sonar?

I think, thats the VDS of the Luhu (052)…

I believe Towed Array Sonars are like a long thick rope……(maybe Jonesy or serv could elaborate on that….)

You had linked from CDF:
They don’t allow linking of their photos to other sites. They can ban you for this….

Well, crud!

What I wanted to show was an image of a type 054 in the yard at an early stage of fitting out, specifically the area of the HQ7 launcher. There’s a nice square thingy mounted there on which sits a air pump that is used during fitting out. Seems similar to 115 forward area.

On the Thai OPVs (from Warships brief page):

http://www.warshipsifr.com/pages/signal.html

How can they be only 2000 tons?

30 054s!!!

Also from Warships: 30 054s are ordered!?! and that it is based on the Sawari II?!?

The 30-vessel order had been posted on Chinese boards but there is no confirmation. The Sawari II as a base for the 054 is a new one to me. The Sawari is based on the La Fayette but a bit larger.

The Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has ordered 30 new stealthy frigates of the Type 054 Class, of which two are currently under construction at the Hudong Shipyard in Shanghai and the Huangpu Shipyard in Guangzhou.

Originally believed to be a class of eight, these new warships have been chosen to replace Jianghu Class frigates, of which there are still 31 in service.

Two Type 054s are already in commission. Based on the short time it took for the first two to enter service, it is anticipated that the entire class of 30 frigates may have joined the fleet by around 2018, or even sooner, if more production lines are opened.

The 4,000 tons ships, with a length of 125m, are based on the Saudi Sawari II Class design.

However, the Chinese variant has a more advanced Anti-Air Warfare (AAW) capability, although the ships’ primary mission will be ASW and ASuW. The Type 054s are fitted with: The Chinese Giat 100mm/56 stealth gun mount on the forecastle; four Mashzavod AK-630 Close-in Weapon Systems (CIWS); an HQ-7 Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) launch system; eight C-801 and C-802 SSMs and two Type 87 Anti-Submarine Warfare rocket launchers.

The Combined Diesel and Gas Turbine (CODAG) propulsion gives the ships a maximum speed of 28 knots and an operational range of 2500nm at 18 knots.

Thai OPVs

On the Thai OPVs (from Warships brief page):

http://www.warshipsifr.com/pages/signal.html

The Royal Thai Navy’s first Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) has been launched from the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) yard in Shanghai. In late 2002 Thailand awarded a contract for the new vessels to the CSSC and Bangkok Naval Dockyard for the construction of two OPVs. The design of the 2,000 tons ship resembles a Chinese F22 Class frigate, but with a shortened forecastle. It retains the superstructure design.

The OPV will be fitted with a 76mm OTO Melara gun and FFBNW 8 Surface-to-Surface missiles. The flight-deck and hangar are suitable for operating a medium-size helicopter. The 85m long vessels have twin shafts and controllable pitch propellers plus are able to maintain a continuous speed of 23+ knots. Their operational range is about 3,500 nm.

Thailand had a submarine project in the 1990s and were supposed to tender for the German Type 209 or the Swedish Gotland.

That fell apart because of the cost overun in the fitting and operations of the carrier Chakri Naruebet and the 1998 Asian financial crisis. With the tsunami and the aftermath, I don’t know if the submarine program will be put off indefinitely. Especially since Thailand had ordered the latest two OPVs from China and there were discussions of another T25 FFG.

I highly doubt the Yuan will be exported to any one soon. If there are any SSKs to be exported ny China, it would be the mothballed Romeos (if anyone wants them.)

PLAN towed (array?) sonar?

I heard Yuan class sub is mass produced in China.The PLAN must be satisfy with the design and system of Yuan.Don’t know whether Thai Navy will buy from China for Yuan class sub since Thai don’t have a single sub?

where did that come from? do you have a link?

YUAN!!!!

Posted by Santa at CMF:

cheers for the pics. not nearly as long as i had thought it might be, and there dont appear to be any obvious launch tubes on the back. might have to re-think the SSK cruise missile carrier idea.

looks just like another hunter-killer SSK.

doesnt make sense.

And what questions would be solved by that? That it has a port anchor?

dont be silly now.

the pic clearly indicates that the hanger is just a hanger and not a VLS missile hub.

if that structure is supposed to be for VLS, why would you only use half of it?

even if you did need to leave half for something else, you’d think they would prefer to have the VLS to the front of the hanger. since that should be more sterdy structurally and also allows easier access to the langing deck at the very rear of the ship.

it also clearly shows that there is a change in the CIWS arrangements, with the old 4*twin cannons on top of the hanger replaced by another system. most like the 730, positioned on either side of the funnel and/or on the rear of the hanger.

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What is quite weird, is that we got some pics of the two LPG-tankers next to it, but no one seems to have noticed these were being built in that very same yard! Or was it built somewhere else and towed there for outfitting? And if it was built in this yard, wouldn’t there be any 114 in that yard somewhere? [/QUOTE]

thats not really military related is it? also, the fact that china is going to be building these things has been on the news months ago. no big suprise there.

I heard Yuan class sub is mass produced in China.The PLAN must be satisfy with the design and system of Yuan.Don’t know whether Thai Navy will buy from China for Yuan class sub since Thai don’t have a single sub?

YUAN!!!!

Posted by Santa at CMF:

Agreed on the gun-base amidship. As for the front and rear positions and their shape: remember this?

You had linked from CDF:

– http://www.china-defense.com/forum/uploads/post-12-1065265623.jpg –

They don’t allow linking of their photos to other sites. They can ban you for this….