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sorry sameer I misunderstood you comment, but as you say, the chinese navy is rather irrelvant in this discussion.

Their limited resources in terms of their most capable ships that they CURRENTLY have.

The chinese navys resources are so limited that they currently have what has been described as the largest naval building programme of any country since the end of the cold war. :rolleyes:
But as sammer said, the chances of a major chinese presance in the Indian ocean, at least in the short to mid term is extremely unlikely-but never say never 😉 From what I have read the F22s will be potent vessels but not upto the standard of even the Talwars, probably the least capable of India’s new generation of warships. :dev2:

Northern Western Frontier, I am sure you knew what I was talking about

I did not see what the Chinese OR INDIAN NAVY has anything to do with the PN either………

but one wonders what part of that sentence you did not understand?

“btw the Chinese Navy is irrelevant, they do not pose a threat to the IN simply because most of their limited resources are put up against the Pacific fleet and will never send a full forfce detatchment to the Indian ocean.”

hmm..I dont think so there’s an Area in Pakistan called NWF.

Why Bring PA in PN topic?

well Indians should’nt make empty claims (as usual) and say they’re superior to Chinese navy, too scared to discuss this in a specific thread? thats why you boast here against what..3-4 Pakistani Members? Go back to your original accounts.

One Saichen commando in 86 even became a President general. 😀

and Muhamed ji

the officers responsible for that incident which you mention have all been punished. Accidents do happen sometimes right?

Just like whenthe PA surrounded a few terrorists a few years back in the NWF area and then “accidently” let them slip away. 🙂

btw the Chinese Navy is irrelevant, they do not pose a threat to the IN simply because most of their limited resources are put up against the Pacific fleet and will never send a full forfce detatchment to the Indian ocean.

Finally guys please do not stude down to the level of the crew around here, the Gaznavi was a sub with sailors who were engaged in an official war, not like some terrorists who crossed the border in the 80s till today. They should be respected for doing their job and I wish them the best in heaven.

AFAIK, some 14 people including officers lost their commission after the dry dock sinking in 2002.

Indian forces punish wrongdoers, not promote them like our western neighbor 😉

so the 14 jiangwei class frigates, 4 052c/b destroyers, 2 054 frigates, not to mention 112/113/167 destroyers and the 5 older ships rebuilt with 16 antiship missiles and HHQ7, and the two new 051c destroyers being built in Dalian simply represent a small ‘crap’ coastal force?
Last time I counted, I got 35 modern surface combattants in the chinese navy including the two new sovremennys now fitting out and the new indigenous DDGs. The requirements for my count were simple, a reasonably modern air defence system and modern anti-ship missiles.
Oh I think I forgot to mention the new SSNs an SSBNs reported to be either under construction or now fitting out.
Just a comment on quality, 10 of the 14 jiangweis mount 8 antiship missiles and the HHQ7 system, Im also very sure that the 052B/C vessels are crap aswell.
Seriously, knowone is disputing Indias naval prowess, and superiority over the PN, but chinas fleet is strong and getting stronger everyday, it is backed up by a larger economy than india, and sanctions are forcing more rapid indigenisation.

By quality sure, except the sovs the chinese navy is pretty much a coastal navy even today.

So GoldenArrow you’re saying Indian Navy is better than Chinese Navy?

wow, 71 … 35 years ago,and that too in fog of war … not in peace where u can sink ur own equipment… btw, out of curiosity, was there an investigation into that affair. seems like since indians are so open about everything id like to know how they managed to sink a huge floating repair platform. or does that sorta stuff doesnt roll heads in delhi?

Just keeping people honest…

http://strategypage.com/dls/articles/20054102046.asp

India Rules the Waves

by James Dunnigan
April 10, 2005

India plans to have two aircraft carriers, both equipped with modern fighter-bombers and anti-submarine helicopters, in service by 2012. The first carrier, entering service in 2008, is a refurbished, 40,000 ton carrier from Russia. This one will cost $1.5 billion, but will provide India with a lot of technology it will use to build another, 37,000 ton, carrier. This one will enter service in 2012 and will cost about $800 million. India will operate navalized MiG-29 fighters on both carriers. These aircraft will have the most modern electronics and missiles. With these two carriers, India will dominate the Indian Ocean and the southwest Pacific. The total coast of this new carrier aviation capability will run close to $5 billion, once the cost of escorts, training, support ships, and shore facilities, are included. When these two carriers are in service, the only Navy in the world that could threaten Indian domination of the Indian Ocean is the American fleet. But even here, this would only apply when Indian carriers were outside the range of their land based warplanes. 😎

BTW, people wondering about the quality of “rusting” Russian ships need only look that the fact that their navy is going for super crappy Chinese ones as their next great surface ship hope. :diablo:

Beisdes, there can be few answers to 1000 BrahMos Mk-1s 😎

Didnt the PAF bomb one of the PN’s ships as it was cowering in fear at Karachi port in ’71?
Thanks PAF!! :diablo:

Didnt the sub PNS Ghazi blow itself up while trying to mine Visakhapatnam port? :diablo:

PN has been quite useless most of the last 50 years, and is pretty much worthless even today. None of their ships ever seem to leave port (and when they do, bad things happen to the ships.)

PN = paper navy only.

Hmmm wow at this rate Pn will destroy itself on its own. No need for India to lend a hand. PAf would of course play a lead role in that. :rolleyes:

didnt the indians manage to sink their only floating dock a year or so ago …

The PN ships are a worthless lot that would really find a place of honour in any scrap yard around the world :).

well how ironic u say that considering how many accidents have plagued PN ships, let see in last 2 months the only 2 supply ships PN operates both managed to get into accidents. One 30,000 ton oil tanker blew up killing dozens the other smashed into french vessel, competent PN crew at work eh.

What this has to do with maintaining the fleet? It has more to do with miscommunication with foreign ships.

surely 4000KM away u sent an Indian ship with sea harriers cover and u will see its worth. :diablo: I can bet it will break down in the middle due to fear of war where conditions are not favourable.

well how ironic u say that considering how many accidents have plagued PN ships, let see in last 2 months the only 2 supply ships PN operates both managed to get into accidents. One 30,000 ton oil tanker blew up killing dozens the other smashed into french vessel, competent PN crew at work eh.

:diablo: :diablo:

How many of the pak F16s really fly?Can you please explanin and give examples over the maintaninece edge fo PAF and PN over IAF and IN.

**** planes don’t fly,or there is no free media.Thats the reason why none if them are reported

no free media. just look at Pak press the view of gov is not that favourable. i can bet if even a UAV falls down anywhere the press and people can spot it. and u are talking about aircrafts. :rolleyes: