Popham airfield wind farms

I have asked the question of No10 and the DECC and am still awaiting replies. I know I will not receive any because no one has an answer to that question. Why Ministers are never confronted with the pertinent questions by the so-called power interviewers I do not know – except that the BBC is rampantly pro-wind and MMGM, anyway, so it is hardly surprising….

I, like many of you, have read through the plethora of information for and against, wind turbines.
Notwithstanding many of the arguments put forward, and here I confess to being a non-believer in wind turbines for essential power, the “FOR” fraternity do seem to evade the pivotal question that continually crops up; what happens when the wind stops or drops to a degree of being useless (and this is not an insignificant percentage)? For the amount of turbines already erected, plus those being planned for, an instant standby power source does not exist (I naturally discount the present power stations as they will be closed in compliance with this erroneous eco thinking), so I fail to understand the “for wind turbines” case.
I am obviously missing something from their argument and have been studying the subject for some time now and the answer to the question above seems to elude me – and many others.
Richard

It seems no-one has clocked the fact too that David Cameron’s father apparently earns £1K per week from his and that the two Ministers reviewing the situation both have a conflict of interest, as they are directly connected with the Wind Turbine business!

John Hayes obviously reads these Forums and takes note and is a supporter of Popham airfield. Ir’s too much of a co-incidence!

Much more of this and there is a distinct danger of the Tories becoming popular.

I’ve had that in my “favourites” for a long time!!:D

Too little wind- rubbish
Lots of wind -rubbish and dangerous

Time to enjoy a Danish turbine whirling to destruction. It reminds me a bit of War of the Worlds, when the tripods crashed to earth 😉

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

I remember a couple of years ago, someone talking about the wind farms off
the coast of the Netherlands. He was saying how inefficient they were, and
when one breaks down they are too expensive to repair.

Obviously somebody is making money out of them.

I believe more use should be made of tide power, both in underwater
turbines, http://energy.gov/articles/turbines-nyc-east-river-will-provide-power-9500-residents
and something along the lines of the old tide mills, where sea water
was stored in lagoons then let out as the tide fell.

Yes it was good to read that earlier and it will nicely split the coalition again because his boss, the Secretary of State is a pro-windmill Liberal!!

Potentially good news for Popham!

Maybe at last a voice of reason will counter the infestation of these twirling abominations!

”Death knell for wind farms: ‘Enough is Enough’ says minister
Wind farms have been “peppered” across Britain without enough consideration for the countryside and people’s homes, a senior Conservative energy minister admitted last night as he warned “enough is enough”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/9644558/Death-knell-for-wind-farms-Enough-is-Enough-says-minister.html

charlie…….

Less of the “old”, please :).

First, these devices need siting in the correct place: not seen the plans for Popham so cannot comment.

Second, don’t think any one is suggesting that wind energy will meet ALL our needs but it will certainly continue to supply some of our energy.

Planemike

Sorry about that “young fella”!;);)

Yes they will – anything from 8% to 17% depending on who you want to believe but all of that HAS to be backed up by converntional power, so what’s the point of them in the first place. They are adding hugely to our bills, not that you’ll hear much about that from the politicians. And, I repeat, thery wull do notyhing to solvde our dwindlng energy resources at a time when the US will be energy self sufficient within 5 years and we and Europe will be relying on Mr Putin and his Gazprom for most of our gas.

You can live in hope!! If NONE of our leaders get it, what hope for old Planemike??:rolleyes:;)

charlie…….

Less of the “old”, please :).

First, these devices need siting in the correct place: not seen the plans for Popham so cannot comment.

Second, don’t think any one is suggesting that wind energy will meet ALL our needs but it will certainly continue to supply some of our energy.

Planemike

Has anyone worked out the cost of ownership fo these wind turbines?
It’s like a conversation I had with the gasman regarding my boiler.

“That old boiler is inneficient you should consider a new one”
“How much will that cost?”
“about £3500”
“and what will my yearly saving be?
“£300 to £350 per year”
“so it will take me 10 years to re-coup my spend? What’s the average life of these new boilers”
“err, 10 to 15 years on average”

So in other words I’m buying into something that will cost as much as my old one regardless of the energy saving.

“no thanks, I’ll keep the old one!”

See http://www.discountplumbingsupplies.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=1_50_100_200&products_id=1 re your quote of £3500.

Regards

“no thanks, I’ll keep the old one!”

If only you/we had the choice!!:mad:

Has anyone worked out the cost of ownership fo these wind turbines?
It’s like a conversation I had with the gasman regarding my boiler.

“That old boiler is inneficient you should consider a new one”
“How much will that cost?”
“about £3500”
“and what will my yearly saving be?
“£300 to £350 per year”
“so it will take me 10 years to re-coup my spend? What’s the average life of these new boilers”
“err, 10 to 15 years on average”

So in other words I’m buying into something that will cost as much as my old one regardless of the energy saving.

“no thanks, I’ll keep the old one!”

So, because of our extremely expensive obession with windfarms, we the taxpayer and consumer will be paying twice over. We will be paying for the windfarms plus the nuclear or gas or coal fired RELIABLE power stations that we need to support our power demand when the windfarms AREN’T WORKING.

Planemike. Please tell me you get it ?

Please sign the Popham petition.

You can live in hope!! If NONE of our leaders get it, what hope for old Planemike??:rolleyes:;)

Planemike

Water mills even better. More reliable by a degree or two than wind -except during a drought.

That opening paragraph summarises the problem of the generation of electrical power by natural forces – reliability! Natural forces, because they are natural are unreliable.

One of the many problems with wind farms is that there is a lobby claiming that if we have enough of them, they will be a complete answer to our power deficit.

That, they can never be, because, they rely on natural sources of energy to make energy. So, if you covered the entire country and the surrounding sea to a limit of twelve miles out with windfarms sufficient to power the electrical needs of the entire country, some places would be without a cup of tea, others wouldn’t be able to run a computer and the man who fell off his ladder and hurt his back wouldn’t get an x-ray.

So, because of our extremely expensive obession with windfarms, we the taxpayer and consumer will be paying twice over. We will be paying for the windfarms plus the nuclear or gas or coal fired RELIABLE power stations that we need to support our power demand when the windfarms AREN’T WORKING.

Planemike. Please tell me you get it ?

Please sign the Popham petition.

Hey charlie……..

Take it you are not too keen on wind energy ?!!!!! Wonder why you are not keen?

“Not keen” is hardly the phrase. If you have to wonder why I am so opposed to them you have not read my posts in which I very clearly set out the reasons for my opposition and more importantly the reasons why our obsession with them will firstly further increase consumer energy costs and secondly leave us desperately under sourced within a very few years.

Thank you for posting that table. It is not only appalling that our leaders conspire in this reckless policy but that they do so without reviewing the science which is the driver for the whole fiasco. It is a commercial and moral act of total irresponsibility.

Hey charlie……..

Take it you are not too keen on wind energy ?!!!!! Wonder why you are not keen?

Have to say that I think they will be around for a while. Various devices have been used over the centuries to recover energy from the wind in a number of countries. For example much of the corn used in England was milled by wind power.

Planemike

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Bushell

Would it be possible to send a copy of that very useful table to Christopher Booker at the Sunday Telegraph ?

Thank you for posting that table. It is not only appalling that our leaders conspire in this reckless policy but that they do so without reviewing the science which is the driver for the whole fiasco. It is a commercial and moral act of total irresponsibility.