A huge order for Bombardier that was originally made back in December of last year but the customers identity was kept a secret…until now!
Porter currently operates a fleet of Bombardier Q400s and Q400NGs to/from Toronto Billy Bishop City Airport (YTZ), and at this stage the order for the CS100’s is just “conditional”, but if it does come to fruition it will be the first turbofan-powered aircraft operated by Porter.
More details about the order can be found here:
http://www.airlinesanddestinations.com/airlines/porter-airlines-places-conditional-order-for-up-to-30-bombardier-cs100s/
The odd thing I find though is the take-off distance for the CS100 is 1,509m, yet the runway length at YTZ is only 1,216m long (almost 300m short!), so I am assuming that they are going to have to reduce the overall passenger capacity of the aircraft in order to be able to operate it?! That said though, at least they’ll be able to fly further and expand their network.
I’ve flown on Porter myself and can personally testify that they are a fantastic airline, so I’m looking forward to seeing these new aircraft and hope to be able to fly in one of them soon.
By: chornedsnorkack - 17th April 2013 at 11:00
The chart is the great circle distance. What would the still air distance be YTZ-SFO?
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th April 2013 at 20:53
My bad then, no +400nm range.
By: chornedsnorkack - 15th April 2013 at 16:31
Sorry, my mistake. From the brochure:
http://media.bombardiercms.com/cseries/medias/cseries/galleries/cseries_download_high_en_7a1759.pdf
the range is quoted at the standard payload of 110 passengers after all. 125 passengers would have shorter range.
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th April 2013 at 10:44
Considering that the range at LCY, stated by Bombardier, is 1500nm at MTOW for 125 pax, and that Porter would configure their CS100 in 2-class 107-seats total, that gives an approximate of 1500 kg less in pax, which would allow (my estimate) an increase in range of 400nm (provided that the runway gets extended to a LCY-like length).
So we’d have such range chart:
By: cloud_9 - 14th April 2013 at 18:54
Thanks for that chornedsnorkack, I looked at the porterplans.com website last night after you provided the link to the other thread and I saw what they are proposing…all sounds very interesting!:cool:
By: chornedsnorkack - 13th April 2013 at 21:48
The odd thing I find though is the take-off distance for the CS100 is 1,509m,
Was.
As mentioned in the other thread, on occasion of the CS100 rollout it was disclosed that the take-off distance had been shrunk to 1463 m. With full MTOW.
Bombardier also offers “Basic” version – with 1219 m take-off distance.
yet the runway length at YTZ is only 1,216m long (almost 300m short!), so I am assuming that they are going to have to reduce the overall passenger capacity of the aircraft in order to be able to operate it?!
They could reduce the range instead. CS100 range with 1463 m BFL and 125 seats no frills is 2950 nm still air (but inclusive of required reserves).
They DO reduce the overall passenger capacity. The standard MTOW, range and take-off distance of CS100 are defined at the no-frills maximum 125 seats@30´´ pitch. The standard all-coach seating at 32´´ is just 110, however. And standard 2 class interior is 108.
Porter has specified 107 seats on 2 classes.
And Porter is also applying to extend YTZ by 336 m.
By: Matt-100 - 13th April 2013 at 20:38
Yes, already discussed, but I feel it warrants it’s own thread? 🙂
Great news for Bombardier and Porter. I imagine Porter can create quite a niche with business travelers with the extended range and faster flight times of the C-Series but the key will be if they can steal the lucrative corporate contracts from AC (my guess is they unfortunately can’t due to the limited destinations they serve).
By: cloud_9 - 13th April 2013 at 19:32
Ah ok, my apologises, I didn’t check the boards before I posted.:o
By: chornedsnorkack - 13th April 2013 at 18:38
Already discussed at some length:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=116627&page=3
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