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RE: Perth class..

Replacements? Debate and discussion now rages and has for a while on a new AAW ship. The 2000 White paper stated that at least 3 would be introdcued from 2012 onwards. Choices range from the German F124, the Dutch LCF, the Spanish F-100, the International FFG from Gibbs & Cox (US), the Type 45 from the UK, and even a DD(X) derivative from the US. Then there is also an Australian design that has been proposed as well, but based upon others.

Regards, Glenn.

RE: Perth class..

I still remember back then one of the PERTH class destroyer came to Malaysia for an exercise or something.I must say that it is a big and properly equipped vessels,maybe a little bit old that’s all.Glen,RAN got any replacement in mind?

Perth class..

Yeah, we had them too. Just retired the last of them, damn shame.

Regards, Glenn.

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Greek Navy

Charles F. Adams Class Guided-Missile rsDestroye
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RE: Sa’ar 5

FROM NAVAL_TECHNOLOGY

EILAT CLASS SA’AR 5 MULTI-MISSION CORVETTES, ISRAEL
In the early 1980s, the Israeli Navy awarded a contract to Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (formerly Litton Ingalls Shipbuilding) to supply three Sa’ar 5 Class corvettes for the Israeli Navy. The first of class, INS Eilat, was launched in February 1993, followed by INS Lahav in August 1993 and INS Hanit in March 1994.

COMMAND AND CONTROL

The Unified Combat System is integrated by IAI (Israel Aircraft Industries) MBT division, with Elbit (combat data systems) and Tadiran (communications systems) as major subcontractors. The ship’s combat system provides multiple offensive and defensive capabilities. Target, weapon status, and threat evaluation information is available to all fire control and launcher systems via the ship’s databus.

El-Op’s MSIS electro-optic surveillance and fire control system is fitted on the Eilat, which contains an 8–12 micron thermal imager, TV camera and laser rangefinder.

MISSILES

The ship’s anti-air capability is based on the Barak missile system developed by IAI and Rafael. Two 32-cell vertical launch systems are installed on the raised gun deck at the bow of the ship. The range of the Barak missile is 10km and it is armed with a 22kg warhead. It also has an anti-surface target capability.

The ship has two four-cell Boeing Harpoon missile launchers. The Harpoon surface-to-surface missile has a range of up to 130km. The speed is high subsonic and the warhead weighs 227kg.

The ship’s short to medium-range anti-ship missile is the IAI Gabriel II. There are eight launchers for the Gabriel II missile which uses dual mode semi-active and active radar homing with a 100 kg warhead. The range is from 6 to 36km and missile velocity is 0.6 Mach.

GUNS

The ship is equipped either a Raytheon/ General Dynamics Mk 15 Phalanx close-in weapon system (CIWS) or OTOBreda 76mm gun. Phalanx has a 20mm gun which can fire at 3,000 rounds/min and Ku-band search and tracking radar. Range is 1.5km.

TORPEDOES

The ship is fitted with six 324mm Mark 32 torpedo tubes for Alliant Techsystems Mark 46 torpedoes which have active and passive homing. They are armed with a 44kg warhead and range is 24km. The launch tubes are mounted in the superstructure about halfway along the length of the ship.

HELICOPTER

Airborne anti-submarine warfare capability is provided by the ship’s helicopter. The ship’s helicopter hangar can accommodate an H-665A Dauphin, Kaman SH-2F or Sikorsky S-76N helicopter.

COUNTERMEASURES

Countermeasures include the AN/SLQ-25 Nixie towed torpedo decoy system by Aerojet ElectroSystems, which seduces approaching torpedoes away from the ship. The Sa’ar 5 corvettes’ radar warning receiver Elisra NS-9003/9005 is also installed on the Israeli Navy Sa’ar 4 and Sa’ar 4.5 patrol craft. Three Elbit Deseaver stabilised chaff rocket launchers are mounted on the forward and aft towers.

SENSORS

The air search radar antenna is installed on the aft tower. The Elta EL/M-2218S air search radar operates in E/F bands. The 2D/3D radar antenna, the fire control director and the I-band navigation radar antenna are installed on the forward tower. The fire control radar is the I/J/K-band EL/M-2221 GM STGR from Elta.

The Sa’ar is equipped with Type 796 hull-mounted search-and-attack sonar, which operates at medium frequency and is supplied by EDO of New York. The ship’s towed sonar array is supplied by Rafael.

PROPULSION

The ship’s propulsion system is in a CODOG combined diesel or gas configuration. The two MTU 12V 1163 TB82 diesel engines are rated at 6,600hp. The GE LM 2500 gas turbine system is cross-connected and provides 30,000hp. The propulsion system drives two shafts. The propulsion system provides a maximum speed of 33 knots. The cruise speed on the diesel engines is 20 knots and the endurance is 4,000 nautical miles. A large twin rudder provides manoeuvrability at high speed and controllable reversible pitch (CRP) propellers at low speed.

RE: Sa’ar 5

Israel indeed doesn’t have large shipyards, and it is also probably funded by US tax dollars. Sorry Vortex ;).

RE: Sa’ar 5

nice looking ship, the Sa’ar 5, but i’ve heard stories that it’s not very stable (relatively) for the high sea states and thus, a purpose design ship with the mediterranian in mind. Is that true? Any other buyers operating in areas of high seas? As to why built in US, i don’t think Israel has any large military ship yards (could be wrong), but it’s probably also funded by my tax dollar.

RE: Sa’ar 5

Thanks Skythe,i must say this SA’AR 5 is bad news for any maritime aggressor heading for Israeli coast.I must retract back what i posted back then regarding US design frigates.This vessel is for sure the ones to beat for the rest of the world naval designer.Why do the ISREALI govt decided to get the US help in building such vessel,cause i personally believe that the Israeli industry is more than capable to build it.Is it political?Anyway it is the best corvette in the region.

RE: Spanish navy

Vortex,

On the PdeA issue the Spanish Navy really had no need for the kind of capacity that something like a Tarawa or Wasp provided and it is 25,000 tons larger in displacement, nearly 200ft longer, over 100ft broader in the beam and requires over 300 more crew. Also it uses steam propulsion which, compared to the gas turbines of PdeA, are considerably more maintenance-intensive. One of these, therefore, would be many times more expensive to run than PdeA. Besides, on aircraft operation efficiency grounds, Principe de Austrias is probably the most capable of the “Harrier-carriers” as it was developed from the US Sea Control Ship design.

As to the “Dutch radar” being discussed above its the Signaal APAR (Active Phased Array Radar) and it is indeed superior to the passive array US SPY-1 series mounted on the AEGIS vessels. It must be remembered that AEGIS is the combat system not the radar!

Sa’ar 5

>anybody got latest photo of the Israeli heavily
>armed corvette

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RE: Dutch navy

No idea, Vortex.

RE: Dutch navy

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 05-05-02 AT 06:17 AM (GMT)]RMN latest NGPV built by Blomn&Voss,to be outfitted in Malaysia by end on this year.Initial 2 vessels shall be delivered somewhere in 2003.The next 25 vessels will be built 100 percent in Malaysia and will cost app US$3B for the next 10 years or so.The vessel is built base on the famous MEKO 100 concept,stealth features,modular construction and weapons fitting.Various version will be built base on the same platform depending on the country needs.The first 6 will be outfitted for general patrol duties hence 21 days on station capabalities,CPP,advance 3D radar,helos deck+hangar(Super Lynx most likely),EXOCET MM40 missiles and RAM shorads.The AAW version will be armed with ASTER missiles,phased array radar and CIWS,ASW version to be equipped with MU90 IMPACT/WHITEHEAD torpedos +towed array sonar.I’m impressed with the advanced Dutch/German navy frigate.In a way they seems to be a like,is this vessel part of the so call LCF(i hope i get it right)program?The EU frigate has always been more practical and modern compared to the US built frigates.I hope RMN could consider to buy a couple of this modern frigate to replace the aging HANG TUAH(ex HMS MERMAID) and RAHMAT(Yarrow design frigate armed with SEACAT back in the 70s).At one point RMN would like to buy 2 Kortnear,but with the latest development TYPE 122 could be a better choice to replace the HANG TUAH,RAHMAT.By the way anybody got latest photo of the Israeli heavily armed corvette(i personally think it is the best in it’s class),Singapore Victory class corvette fitted with the Barak 1 VLSAM,Saudi Lafayette frigates and the Oman VOSPER corvette?
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RE: Spanish navy

Why didn’t Spain pitch in and buy a modified Tarawa class instead? Wouldn’t that been a much bigger and more effective carrier while cheaper too due to USN buys? After all, the design was USN also.

Spanish navy

Well guys I hate this patriotic view. But here it goes one photos of the small and humble Spanish navy.

Royal Prince of Asturias (planecarrier). I don´t like war stuff

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RE: Dutch navy

Not a purely Dutch design, as the german navy uses it as well in a modified form.

See FW124 class.

RE: Dutch navy

That AAW ship’s radar is a Dutch design, phased array, just like Aegis. Some say it’s even better than Aegis, but I don’t know if that’s true. The ship is equipped with Standard SM2 missile (block IV IIRC) and VL Sea Sparrow ESSM. It has 40 VLS tubes, 32 of which will be regularly loaded with Standard, whereas the remaining 8 carry 32 VL ESSMs.

Most of the Kortenaers have been sold to Greece and some Gulf nation (Dubai??). I don’t know if any are left for sale.

Best regards,

Ference.

RE: Dutch navy

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 03-05-02 AT 08:22 AM (GMT)]German Navy pics :

1. destroyer Class Lütjens (to be withdrawn)

2. Frigate class FW 122

3. Frigate class FW 123

4. ASW Frigate class FW 124

5. U212 class

6. U206 class

7. FAC tiger class

8. FAC Gepard class

9. repleshment ship Lüneburg class
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RE: Post your country naval vessels photo here.

>Rabie ,
>
>yes I agree . The Point is that now we have a terrific
>carrier but … No plane on it. The Navy only owns :
>Jurassic Crusaiders !!!!!!
>Super Entendards (Dassault) and the Navy version of the
>Rafale is due by 2006 I guess.

The Crusaders are retired since 4 or 5 years in the French navy.

There is only Super Etendard and 6 Rafale on this Carrier.
These aircraft had bomb Tora Bora in Afghanistan with US fighters, old but working.

RE: Post your country naval vessels photo here.

Rabie ,

yes I agree . The Point is that now we have a terrific carrier but … No plane on it. The Navy only owns : Jurassic Crusaiders !!!!!!
Super Entendards (Dassault) and the Navy version of the Rafale is due by 2006 I guess.

The other thing is that this gorgeous thing is supposed to be on maintenance every 6 month for …. 6 month !!!

So if the buad guys attack us , let’s pray it will be on the right timeframe.
The only efficient weapon we have are a tenth of nuclear submarines

RE: Dutch navy

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 03-05-02 AT 06:40 AM (GMT)]The AAW Frigate looks awesome and i’m sure it is one of the best frigate in the world.The radar looks like an advanced 3D(mini Aegis ?)but what about the AAW weapons VLSEASPARROW,ASTER or STANDARD?Dutch navy always have managed to equipped themselves with the best frigate,by the way is there any leftover Kortnear class frigate left?