Potential allies of India and China war?

Well that’s true.:)

Not a problem as I am not here to persuade you or anyone. You have your view and I have my mine.

Sorry but nothing you have said has persuaded me to change my view nor indeed my original response.

Yes, I agree it is a 50 years old problem. Like Chinese are getting assertive everywhere (Vietnam, Japan, India, Philippines), so other countries has to be assertive about their claim. Chinese are getting assertive like sending patrols or establishing air bases in Tibet or deploying their army in PoK or increasing their army bases in Tibet. This is exactly what other countries are replicating. In case of India, we don’t want to repeat 1962 when we were out numbered and under prepared.

Or accept that it’s the same border antagonism that has existed for the last 50 years and does not need hyping up!

Chinese PoV

Provocative border posts add to tension

New Delhi’s plan to set up 35 new border posts on the China-India border made headlines in Indian media recently. More border police will also be dispatched to step up security along the border.

The Indian media also reported that due to a series of China “aggressions,” India called off a scheduled visit by Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne, since India is reluctant to “go into diplomatic overdrive” to engage Beijing, though later the Indian authorities clarified the visit was not cancelled but postponed.

Candidly the China-Indian relationship has never been that motivated. Instead, it’s the Indian media and government that each time overreact to border issues. Another target of criticism by Indian media in recent days is Myanmar, which is accused of alleged incursion in Manipur.

There are undefined boundary areas between India and some countries, some of which even don’t have a line of actual control (LAC). Nevertheless, the Indians have an “ideal” boundary in their minds and any other country crossing the line means they are invading India’s territory.

India’s hyping of China’s “aggression” on the border comes from its growing upsets and worries. The border issue has become long-delayed and difficult to address and India is seeing an increasing gap with China in comprehensive strength and infrastructure construction along the border.

Also, it’s related to the entangled struggle of interests within India, particularly between the Indian political and military circle.

There are basically two opinions about how to deal with China’s military pressure. One emphasizes clinging to a defensive position on the land while taking advantages of India’s superiority in navy and on the Indian Ocean to potentially threaten China’s energy-importing and trade passages. Proponents for this strategy call for boosting the development of naval and air forces.

The other opinion reiterates the importance of land forces, believing India should strengthen military building and infrastructure construction in the China-India border area so that it’s capable of a strong counterattack in the event of armed conflict. Supporters of this opinion include the land forces as well as the Ministry of Home Affairs which exerts certain controls over border management.

In the past decade, India’s defense budget has favored the air and marine forces, which causes a soaring demand for increasing the ground force at the frontier. After the “tent confrontation” between the Indian and Chinese militaries in May, the Indian Ministry of Finance was reported to have agreed to appropriate around 650 billion Indian rupees ($9.94 billion) for the creation of a mountain strike corps.

Given India’s political system, it is not uncommon for the opposition to magnify and make use of the border issue to attack the ruling party despite harm caused to bilateral relations.

India often hypes China’s “incursions” on the border, which in fact mirrors the fragility and sensitivity of India’s mentality when dealing with China.

It is intended to underline India’s equal status with China in tackling divergences and conflicts between the two and cater to the West. However, India’s narrow-mindedness is harmful to mutual communications and problem-solving.

India should be aware that Western countries will play a small role in helping India in the most urgent problems it faces, such as alleviating pressure of the devaluation of its currency. Instead, BRICS’ emergency fund reserves might be more helpful.

The fifth round of the China-India strategic dialogue was held in New Delhi in August, in which both sides negotiated on maintaining the peace and stability along the border and expressed their expectations to reach a border defense cooperation agreement. The dialogue also made preparations for the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s China visit in November.

However, it’s a pity to see a resurgence of hyping of the border issue. Every time before some major significant events between China and India, the India side tries to create some trouble.

The establishment of new border posts is a sensitive issue. China-India border war in 1962 was caused by the “forward policy” initiated by the Jawaharlal Nehru government. Now the LAC between China and India is located to the north of the MacMahon Line and the new posts built by India may cross the line, triggering a tense situation in the border area and thus affecting the bilateral friendly cooperation in other fields.

Indians with insight and vision should recognize the severity of the issue.

Assumptions are dangerous when made without knowledge. ‘Never’ still holds true, publishing a book does not mean close relations between two countries. I will leave it there by ignoring Pakistan completely and discussing China relations.

Hi All,
rkumar,
Sorry matey but I always assumed that Pakistan and Russia had close ties. While early on they did it seems that they have stayed on the fence since the late 50’s if you visit this page you will see that your statement ‘NEVER’ is not quite true. While I can agree on some points we will have to agree to disagree on other’s.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan%E2%80%93Russia_relations

Geoff.

I really have no idea what are you taking. Pakistan never had close relations with Russia. Pakistan were used as a proxy against Russia by USA, like China is using them against India. It is unfortunate but true, Pakistan has no stand but they are working only as proxies. I would not give them more importance now or at that time. It is a problem, which we have learned to ignore.

Hi All,
I don’t honestly know when it come s down to it it’s all about money and who has the most to gain from different alliances. The problem I see is that you have Pakistan that mightn’t take advantage of a ruck between China and India. Pakistan are or have had close ties with Russia and I could see them playing one off the other two countries to where they can benefit from all the trouble.
I mean if it did kick off who are they likely to back ?

Geoff.

India opposed western sections on Iran. Does it mean Russia, China and India have same goal and which cause us to form closer ties?

Hi All,
But doesn’t China want to influence the middle east now just like they are trying to influence Africa ? I mean if China is seen to back Syria like Russia are they not both after the same goal closer ties especially military ?

Geoff.

Russia would back India, period.

I thought as it will be China and India equal equal for Russia. So they will try to be neutral. But nevertheless interesting reply, I was not expecting such bold statement.

Hi All,
What about their alleged closer ties with China in particular the Syria problem they are along the same tract of thought, or are you saying that if they fight together in Syria (If it goes pear shaped) they would fight each other if conflict broke out between India and China ?

Geoff.

Aren’t each country acting to its national interests. Syria is totally different scenario, where Russia wants to keep its influence in middle east especially after Egypt. They don’t want whole middle east under western influence. There is no such requirement in case of China and India. So in my Humble PoV above statement is way off the mark.

Fantasy Island!:rolleyes:

Hi All,
What about their alleged closer ties with China in particular the Syria problem they are along the same tract of thought, or are you saying that if they fight together in Syria (If it goes pear shaped) they would fight each other if conflict broke out between India and China ?

Geoff.

Russia would back India, period.

Hi All,
Do you not think India would be pleading with England to stand by them like they did with us in WWI & II ?

Geoff.

I just don’t accept any likelihood of war. This is yet another escalation of a 50 year old running Indo-Sino series of these disputes. Any specialist input would be welcome.

Lets assume for a moment (only for discussion) that there is war between India and China due to border dispute. For our discussion, it really does not matter who fired first shot as no one is going to accept it. International response will be based on interests of each country and least on who is on fault.

Of course it will be interesting if some Chinese poster can participate.

The problem is that we only have a kalaidescope of subjective one-sided comments. Comments from members elsewhere in the region with alternative views would be welcome.