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Looks like we’re about done here chaps.

Until the next time, then……

GA

……and James, as for post 140………..you naughty boy!:eek:

Baz

can see the reason that’s pretty much what attracted me to most of mine

and if they could cook well

looks came lower down the list somewhere after them shouting thier own round of drinks !!

Also, before you tell me to get wise brush up on your grammer, spelling, and presentation. .

actualy it is grammar , as you say be perfect before criticising others !!

I’m sort of with tornado64 here.

As long as there is no hope of parole, appeal or release ( except for new evidence ) and ‘life’ means ‘life’ ( they will die in prison ) I don’t see the need for execution.

If it is cheaper to keep them alive than have an inevitable messy ‘stay of execution’ after various appeals, then it becomes a bargain.

I think bringing back the death penalty would also see the reemergence of sandal wearing, tree hugging, hippies on ‘execution vigil’ outside said prison for several weeks, being guarded by the one remaining policeman the government forgot to sack.

……and James, as for post 140………..you naughty boy!:eek:

Baz

INTRODUCTION
The length of time prisoners spend on death row in the United States before their executions has recently emerged as a topic of interest in the debate about the death penalty. The discussion increased around the execution of Michael Ross, a Connecticut inmate who had been on death row for 17 years, and has been spurred by the writings of two Supreme Court Justices who have urged the Court to consider this issue.

Death row inmates in the U.S. typically spend over a decade awaiting execution. Some prisoners have been on death row for well over 20 years.

During this time, they are generally isolated from other prisoners, excluded from prison educational and employment programs, and sharply restricted in terms of visitation and exercise, spending as much as 23 hours a day alone in their cells.

This raises the question of whether death row prisoners are receiving two distinct punishments: the death sentence itself, and the years of living in conditions tantamount to solitary confinement – a severe form of punishment that may be used only for very limited periods for general-population prisoners.

Hi pagon 01.I had the “Use” of a Barrister, when I sued a very well known Company.
His measily charge just a mere £350. per hour, thankfully paid for by the Police Federation Insurance Company, so it didn’t cost me a penny, Oh, yes, I won the day, David 1, Goliath 0.

Lincoln .7

on a death case it would be a team over many years to and fro in our courts as well as europe

whilst still paying prison costs as well

most inmates in america spend many years on death row awaiting appeals and evidence to come forward

I don’t buy any of that I’m afraid, appeals etc why should there be more of those if there is no doubt? Ah because the fat cat lawyers will all want their bit!

Also, before you tell me to get wise brush up on your grammer, spelling, and presentation. Mine’s not brilliant, but your’s is shocking and just about readable.

funny how it was basicaly understood thought isn’t it ??

if you don’t buy it have you ever considdered asking the R.N.I.B for a labrador ??

that is exactly as it will be or do you think that no prisoners go to the european court of rights now ???

the death sentence will only involve extra legal wrangling at extra cost whilst you are still paying for the sentence as well

or perhaps you think it can all be done for free ???

add to that psychologists ( a friends daughter is a criminal psychologist , her hourly pay is pretty cool !! )

a life sentence is cheap by comparison

a death sentence is cheap , it is the leangthy route to get there where the expense lies

Hi pagon 01.I had the “Use” of a Barrister, when I sued a very well known Company.
His measily charge just a mere £350. per hour, thankfully paid for by the Police Federation Insurance Company, so it didn’t cost me a penny, Oh, yes, I won the day, David 1, Goliath 0.

Lincoln .7

I don’t buy any of that I’m afraid, appeals etc why should there be more of those if there is no doubt? Ah because the fat cat lawyers will all want their bit!

Also, before you tell me to get wise brush up on your grammer, spelling, and presentation. Mine’s not brilliant, but your’s is shocking and just about readable.

That might take some explaining, how does putting to death of a criminal work out more expensive than a life sentance if they get it?
Not that it matters as cost isn’t the driving issue for me when it comes to justice.

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1 you have the infinately more expensive court case ( it will run into millions )
because there is everything to fight for

2 you have the many more expensive appeals once inside

3 a death row inmate can serve close to a life sentence whilst all these appeals are going on

4 i know these are american statistics but do you for one minuite think things will differ here ???

if anything it will be longer and more expensive and include many appeals in europe as well ( we could not do it anymore on our own say so !! )

get wise !! we all die eventualy i certainly do not believe there is a heaven or hell , just nothing

so i believe you are not killing them rather you are freeing them from doing the decent thing

if anything i’d be doing my best to keep them alive

why do you suppose some lifers hang themselves ???

answer !! it’s the easy way out !!

James. I know exactly what you mean, and I agree with you on it, no need to explain,;)
regards.
Linc .7

so you are happy to pay more for a death sentence .

and let them out of taking years of thier liberty off them !!

that makes sense !! according to what you want , the exact opposite is the logical choice !!

That might take some explaining, how does putting to death of a criminal work out more expensive than a life sentance if they get it?
Not that it matters as cost isn’t the driving issue for me when it comes to justice.

As for taking years of liberty off them, do you really believe that’s what happens? Maybe in the extremist of cases it does, but for the most part it dosen’t. This is what I was disagreeing about in Spitfiremans post, we lock these people up in a free hostel effectively while an inocent life has been taken – or dosen’t their years of liberty count?

Jim, I am stressing that I believe this is the correct course of action only when there is absolutely no doubt about the criminal, as is the case in some of the high profile childrens deaths.

H for Hitler? GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where’s my £5.

No, PeeDee. I didn’t have Hitler in mind.

“H” stands for hypocrisy, though, among other words.

I’m bowing out of this thread now, as I fear that moderator action may well be needed at some point in the not-too-distant future.

H for Hitler? GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where’s my £5.

I’m guessing it wasn’t that. I’d have gone for hypocrite or halfwit, whichever you feel is most appropriate.

Regards,

kev35

PeeDee.

Taken from MedicineNet.com…..

“Down syndrome refers to the 19th century English physician J. Langdon Down who described the condition in 1866. In great error, Langdon Down attributed the condition to a “reversion” to the “mongoloid race.” He held that evolution had been reversed and there had been a sort of backslide from the superior Caucasian to the inferior Oriental race. The misnomer “mongolism” is incorrect and racist and is to be avoided.”

So, first of all, you advocate a cleansing of the gene pool, and then, according to the definition above, you are showing a tendency to be racist? Or am I getting this all wrong and you’re actually just ignorant of the meaning of the language you use?

Regards,

kev35

Ah… so you’re not howling for the death penalty for murders that you approve of?

There’s a word for that sort of thing. Begins with “H”.

Got no clue what you mean. “My” approval was as stated, 12-nil jury etc.

H for Hitler? GODWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where’s my £5.

Surely that is a perfect case where the death penalty would seem appropriate?
I was thinking earlier on of those that have killed children, even through neglect like the babyP case, that are 100% properly identified and where there can’t be aggrevating factors, I’m afraid I feel that only a death sentance is suitable for these people, rather than being in a nice cell at our expense.

James. I agree with what you say, but the same old, same old, is going to rear its ugly head again, ie 100% Positivly certain, and beyond ANY doubt as opposed to the Law which states beyond a reasonable doubt.I would love to be around when come the day it will be able to be proved 100% positive, Murder would drop dramatically, However, there will allways be murder comitted, it is a crime that cannot be stopped.
Ypres, where thousands of our lads were killed in one day were heros, fighting and killing for their Country, but when some of our soldiers developed what is now recognised as shell shock, our Officers lined them up, and MURDERED them. Funny old world aint it?.

Lincoln .7

(Tescos prison service?)

Baz

every little helps !!

I feel that only a death sentance is suitable for these people, rather than being in a nice cell at our expense.

so you are happy to pay more for a death sentence .

and let them out of taking years of thier liberty off them !!

that makes sense !! according to what you want , the exact opposite is the logical choice !!

No, it’s never appropriate.