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QaNTAS pilot suicide by plane

See:
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/gold-coast/qantas-pilot-believed-to-have-deliberately-crashed-plane-into-sea-off-byron-bay/news-story/b65240fdfec85363b6e2c7ad6d34b7b0
Fortunately, it was rented from a flying club – not a QaNTAS frame, so QaNTAS still has never crashed.
Even more fortunately, no one else died on plane or surface.

As for active pilots who do kill themselves on the job – Germanwings, suspected Silkair, Egyptair…
How many people are recorded killed by pilot suicides? And how many pilots have in the meantime killed themselves on ground?

Depressed pilots are regarded dangerous to fly – but the problem is that they are not well paid for the consideration of not crashing their planes, which is a reason to be depressed…

What can be done to encourage pilots to kill themselves on ground? And what can be done to encourage pilots to continue living and get over depressiom?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 5th April 2016 at 16:50

The locked door policy IMHO is a false sense of security because terrorists always find other methods of doing their dirty work as is putting a flight attendant in the cockpit when one of the pilots wants to go to the john. A pilot who is physically stronger could still crash the plane.

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By: chornedsnorkack - 3rd April 2016 at 20:38

How about encouraging them not to kill themselves at all?

Yep:

What can be done to encourage pilots to kill themselves on ground? And what can be done to encourage pilots to continue living and get over depressiom?

Compared to crashing a plane, even suicide on ground is better – but not killing themselves at all is even better.
So strongly suspected crashes by pilot suicide:
JAL 350, in 1982. The comrades in cockpit were able to limit damage – the suicidal captain failed, but 24 people did get killed.
RAM 630, in 1994. All hands lost, 44 in number.
Silkair 185, in 1997. All hands lost, 104 in number.
Egyptair 990, in 1999. All hands lost, 217 in number.
Lam 470, in 2013. All hands lost, 33 in number
Germanwings 9525, in 2015. All hands lost, 150 in number.

Of course it’s a serious matter, but why not worry more about a mad truck, bus, train drivers, the weird guy in the cubicle or your odd neighbor?
Those people don’t have the routine medical screenings airplane pilots do.

Let’s face it, we’re far more likely to get killed a drunk just leaving a pub. If one musr worry about something, look up a list of incurable diseases, worry about an asteroid hitting Earth, or my favorite, being savaged in my sleep by my basset.

That´s a good reasoning. Considering the number of planes that have arrived safely at their destinations since 1982, 6 crashes for a common cause may be an insignificant hazard not worth worrying about.
But if the problem of pilot suicide is insignificant, then the airlines AND civil aviation authorities certainly do address it as if they saw some problem there.
Airlines might trust in the good will and humanity of their pilots, even while depressed, and continue to roster and employ pilots who are confessing to be depressed and actively suicidal, on grounds that they have the sense to kill just themselves and harm no one else. Or they might permit pilots to apply whatever medical treatments are offered for depression, while continuing to be rostered and employed.
The airlines do not, and apparently the civil aviation authorities do not permit them. Causing the pilots to not confess to depression, and giving them more reasons to be depressed about.
If the prospect of pilot suicide by plane is not a serious problem, then the reaction of airlines and civil aviation authorities to this is an overreaction, in which case it is that overreaction which is the serious problem.

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By: J Boyle - 30th March 2016 at 23:23

My comment had to do with the quoted provided.
You have misplaced your sense of the absurd if you don’t think the OPs suggestion that we should encourage pilots to commit suicide on the ground, very odd. The Monty Python chaps couldn’t have thought that one up! He makes it sound like there should be posters in the pilot’s lounge saying…” If you’re blue…don’t take it out on your passengers”. ..perhaps with a map showing the route to the closest cliff.
How about encouraging them not to kill themselves at all?

Of course it’s a serious matter, but why not worry more about a mad truck, bus, train drivers, the weird guy in the cubicle or your odd neighbor?
Those people don’t have the routine medical screenings airplane pilots do.

Let’s face it, we’re far more likely to get killed a drunk just leaving a pub. If one musr worry about something, look up a list of incurable diseases, worry about an asteroid hitting Earth, or my favorite, being savaged in my sleep by my basset.

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By: snafu - 30th March 2016 at 20:05

Really?

This is the oddest post I’ve ever seen on this forum.

Really?

Maybe the idea has been clumsily put, but the fact remains that if a pilot decides to kill himself in his workplace he usually takes a lot of innocent people with him. If something could be done to convince aircrew that seeking assistance for medical problems will not be detrimental to their careers unless it was absolutely necessary then maybe those feeling that they are approaching the inevitable might be prepared to ask for help. In addition more medical tests that are open and available to reassure the flying public that all that can be done is being done and that nothing is being hidden, even if the publicised results are anonymised to preserve their privacy.

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By: TomcatViP - 26th March 2016 at 17:16

+1

Regarding GermanWings, the line was draw by the prosecutors and media without any deviation from the inception of this theory. I won’t see it as scientifically valid process.

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By: J Boyle - 26th March 2016 at 14:30

What can be done to encourage pilots to kill themselves on ground?

Really?

This is the oddest post I’ve ever seen on this forum.

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