QANTAS to bring a DC-4 back to Australia!

Buffalo Airways (buffaloairways.com) has an ex-Qantas DC-4, it’s not for sale but everything has a price, that’s if you want to pay the piper.

C-GPSH ‘Arctic Distributor’
C-GPSH, was initially delivered to American Airlines as ‘Flagship America’ in 1944. Later, in 1949, this airplane was sold to Qantas Airlines and was renamed the ‘New Guinea Trader’. From Qantas, GPSH then went to Malaysia in 1958 for two years, and returned to Qantas in 1960. From that point, this DC-4 made its way to a few different companies in Canada and ended up with Buffalo Airways as the ‘Arctic Distributor’.

Unfortunately C-GPSH suffered signifcant damage in a landing accident at Carat Lake on 28 December 2006. Ruud Leeuw has details and photos on this page: http://www.ruudleeuw.com/yellowknife06.htm

There are further photos here: http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r171/mcelligotb/DC-4/

DC-6s

You mean the pot-boiler DC-6s TAA were forced to take in exchange for their beautiful Viscounts? Rigby the cartoonist had a good one ‘Fly TAA with SFA’…

Poor old Butler Air Transport also lost its lovely Viscounts – and lovely airline!

Anybody else remember this cattle-baron’s action?

Bri:rolleyes:

QANTAS never operated Carvairs mate!

MY bad! It was Ansett that had them. Sorreee!:o

when youve got connies who needs dc6’s:diablo:

& when you’ve got 707’s, who needs either:rolleyes:

when youve got connies who needs dc6’s:diablo:

And, BTW, don’t underestimate just how far a DC-4 will go!!:D

G’day 😉

QANTAS never operated DC-6’s mate.

G’day 😉

Their Carvairs were based on DC4 airframes:)

QANTAS never operated Carvairs mate!

To get back on the subject, I don’t remember Qantas flying DC-4s. Where would they have flown them to? Weren’t they a bit short range for international flights?

DC-6s perhaps!

Bri:confused:

Have a look at http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0943984/M/
for VH-EDA and here is the second, the VH-EBP
http://www.adastron.com/aviation/definitive/qf-dc4/vh-edb-1.htm
and here the third VH-EBM
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/QantasFleet/VH-EBM.html

‘The Douglas DC4 Skymaster was introduced in 1949 on new services to Hong Kong and Japan.’
http://www.qantas.com.au/info/about/history/details12

Martin

To get back on the subject, I don’t remember Qantas flying DC-4s. Where would they have flown them to? Weren’t they a bit short range for international flights?

DC-6s perhaps!

Bri:confused:

Their Carvairs were based on DC4 airframes:)

BRI, QANTAS used the Dc-4 on some short routes, Like out to Norfolk Island here in OZ, ther e were used right up to the late 70’s and were then on sold to a local freight company (Air Express).

Emerson, I’ve just learn’t that the old QF bird you refer to has been extensively damaged in Canada, I suppose anything is repairable but at what price? Pity QF was a bit to slow on that old girl.

I hope they consider bringing back a ex QF Lockheed Electra, that would be nice to see again!

DC-4?

To get back on the subject, I don’t remember Qantas flying DC-4s. Where would they have flown them to? Weren’t they a bit short range for international flights?

DC-6s perhaps!

Bri:confused:

Ex-Qantas DC-4

Buffalo Airways (buffaloairways.com) has an ex-Qantas DC-4, it’s not for sale but everything has a price, that’s if you want to pay the piper.

C-GPSH ‘Arctic Distributor’
C-GPSH, was initially delivered to American Airlines as ‘Flagship America’ in 1944. Later, in 1949, this airplane was sold to Qantas Airlines and was renamed the ‘New Guinea Trader’. From Qantas, GPSH then went to Malaysia in 1958 for two years, and returned to Qantas in 1960. From that point, this DC-4 made its way to a few different companies in Canada and ended up with Buffalo Airways as the ‘Arctic Distributor’.

Putting it into perspective – the Lufthansa Ju-52 never flew with them originally but is an effective advertising tool. Similarily the SAA CASA built JU-52 never saw airline service either or had any history in South Africa before her arrival. The operation of the Brussels Museum Lysander was indeed down to the Sabena Old Timers but it’s hard to see the direct link with airliner preservation.
British Airways brought the VC-10-Trident-Viscount-BAC 1-11-Boeing 707 -Viking to Cosford. It’s quite clear that this wasn’t solely on their own and they had a large degree of co-operation with what was the Aerospace Museum during the formative years. In that nearly thirty years BA provided support albeit in the latter years diminishing to nothing. During all that time the RAFM had plenty of opportunities to speak with BA and either put the collection on a stronger footing or indeed arrange for a more dignified disposal to interested parties. However come the start of the bright new Cold War ‘thing’ and everything suddenly became urgent. Despite the scrappings – the RAFM has chosen to retain the Britannia 312F – a sub type that didn’t see RAF service and as such is a stripped out freighter in increasingly poor condition. Adding to that the Comet 1 which has similarily limited importance
in terms of RAF use – the Lyneham 2 being more significant.
Whilst all this was going on BA also saw fit to deliver two Tridents to the Science Museum and support Duxford with a Trident-BAC 1-11 and VC-10.
Adding on a few Concorde’s to various collections around the world and the impression I get is not of an airline that doesn’t care for it’s heritage but of one that in recent years has struggled against intense competion and chosen to plough it’s money into it’s core activity.

Hmmm.

And a lot less than a number of other airlines – Lufthansa, with their airworthy Ju52-3m, for instance, or Sabena, before the crash, supporting the Lysander, or Air Canada flying the TCA Lockheed 10A, or South African Airlines – in terms of arline size – heritage commitment ratio, I think BA (corporate) is well behind the curve, David. I’d be delighted to be convinced otherwise, but my lack of BA appreciation is entirely down to their own actions – or lack of – not anyone else’s. BA’s handling of the Concorde disposal and the evisceration of the Cosford collection achieved major minus points purely through arrogance, IMHO.

Cheers

I was going to mention the Cosford cull JDK.

BA weren’t so into preservation there.
The old Gripper is just about my favorite British jet airliner and it was very sad to see the Cosford one chopped up.

Miggers:(

I think British Airways were into preservation a lot earlier than many other airlines.

Hmmm.

And a lot less than a number of other airlines – Lufthansa, with their airworthy Ju52-3m, for instance, or Sabena, before the crash, supporting the Lysander, or Air Canada flying the TCA Lockheed 10A, or South African Airlines – in terms of arline size – heritage commitment ratio, I think BA (corporate) is well behind the curve, David. I’d be delighted to be convinced otherwise, but my lack of BA appreciation is entirely down to their own actions – or lack of – not anyone else’s. BA’s handling of the Concorde disposal and the evisceration of the Cosford collection achieved major minus points purely through arrogance, IMHO.

Cheers

Paul the Nasa 747SP is ex United Airlines, both QF 747SPs were parted out in the US, I hope they put Rollers on instead of the pratts or GEs that are probably on it!

As to the DC-4 here in OZ rumor has it that this old bird is to be restored to flight status and painted in WARBIRD colours. Not sure what that means? USAF maybe. ANyways who cares as long as she flys hey? And besides another DC-4 in OZ cant be bad? I just hope QANTAS spend the money on some sort of super hanger for all these old birds soon, seems a shame for them to be outside when they are in such good nic.

thanks for the news dave,i only saw the dc4 fly once when it came to melbourne for the essondon airport anniversary a few years ago looked pretty cool in formation with the connie,ansertes and mike falls dc3 over the city centre:diablo: .
i also hope that they build a hanger for all of these birds.
but after these whats next?and how would they get a sunderland out there 😀
paul

Hornchurch – This is the same British Airways that has donated airliners to museums in the U.K – flown Concorde’s to various locations around the world –
rescued the Vickers Viking from Holland and funded the movement of airliners from Cosford to East Fortune . I think British Airways were into preservation a lot earlier than many other airlines.

there’s a dc4 in need of a good home already in oz why not buy that one?
is the nasa 747sp an xQantas one?
paul

Paul the Nasa 747SP is ex United Airlines, both QF 747SPs were parted out in the US, I hope they put Rollers on instead of the pratts or GEs that are probably on it!

As to the DC-4 here in OZ rumor has it that this old bird is to be restored to flight status and painted in WARBIRD colours. Not sure what that means? USAF maybe. ANyways who cares as long as she flys hey? And besides another DC-4 in OZ cant be bad? I just hope QANTAS spend the money on some sort of super hanger for all these old birds soon, seems a shame for them to be outside when they are in such good nic.

Quantas preservation

at the end of the article it states that QANTAS are now looking for a DC-4 to bring home to Longreach. Does anyone know anymore? Do any of the DC-4s which QANTAS flew exist?

Its great to see QANTAS so involved in preserving their history.

Wonderful stuff, God bless Quantas.

The 707 story was amazing enough (I’m one of the guy’s who used to look at the forlorn White 707 sitting behind the wire, impounded, just a few yards away & wish it could have a happy ending 😎 ).

Be nice if my wishes were granted on one (or both) of those two
(DC.4 / C.54’s) sitting idly wasting away, at North Weald (dunno their past history – if Q’ were involved at all ?).

Reason I put bold text on your latter quote, is ’cause it seems to me like Quantas ideas & actions, regarding preservation appear to be completely the opposite to our airline’s attitute (B.A.’s apparent ‘anathema’) towards it’s past & ‘preserved’ airframes (Trident, V.C.10 etc).

How Sad, & typically ‘British’:mad:

All power to Quantas.