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Question for are English Friends.

Hi All,

Not a airplane topic but I was watching Zulu last night and one of the Person rank was Color Sergant.

What is this rank, and is it only found in the Army.

Thanks

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By: philo - 24th May 2004 at 13:12

I was 4th Battalion RGJ TAVR in Oxford.

The former Regiments of the Royal Green Jackets were:

The Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry (43rd & 52nd)
The Kings Royal Rifle Corps (60th)
The Rifle Brigade (95th)

Battle Honours

Louisburg, Quebec 1759, Martinique 1762, Havannah, North America 1763-64, Mysore, Hindoostan, Martinique 1794, Copenhagen, Monte Video, Roiica, Vimiera, Corunna, Martinique 1809, Talavera, Busaco, Barrosa, Fuentes d’Onor, Albuhera, Ciudad Rodrigo, Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Pyrenees, Nivelie, Nive, Orthes, Toulouse, Peninsula, Waterloo, South Africa 1846-47, Mooltan, Goojerat, Punjab, South Africa 1851-53, Alma, lnkerman, Sevastopol, Delhi 1857, Lucknow, Taku Forts, Pekin 1860, New Zealand, Ashantee 1873-74, Au Masjid, South Africa 1879, Ahmed Khel, Kandahar 1880, Afghanistan 1878-80, Tel-ei-Kebir, Egypt 1882-84, Buma 1885-87, Chitral, Khartoum, Defence of Ladysmith, Relief of Kimberley, Paardeberg, Relief of Ladysmith, South Africa 1899-1902.

The Great War
Mons, Le Cateau, Retreat from Mons, Marne 1914, Aisne 1914, 18, Armentieres 1914, Ypres 1914, 15, 17, 18, Langemarck 1914, 17, Gheiuvelt, Nonne Boschen, Givenchy 1914, Neuve Chapelle, Gravenstafel, St. Julien, Frezenberg, Heliewaarde, Aubers, Festubert 1915, Hooge 1915, Loos, Mount Sorrel, Somme 1916, 18, Albert 1916, 18, Bazentin, Delville Wood, Pozieres, Guillemont, Flers-Courcelette, Morval, Le Transloy, Ancre Heights, Ancre 1916, 18, Bapaume 1917, 18, Areas 1917, 18, Vimy 1917, Scarpe 1917, 18, Arleux, Messines 1917, 18, Pilckem, Menin Road, Polygon Wood, Broodseinde, Poelcappelie, Passchendaele, Cambrai 1917, 18, St. Quentin, Rosieres, Avre, Villers-Bretonneux, Lys, Hazebrouck, Bailleul, Kemmel, Bethune, Drocourt Queant, Hindenburg Line, Havrincourt, Epehy, Canal du Nord, St. Quentin Canal, Beaurevoir, Courtrai, Selle, Valenciennes, Sambre, France and Flanders 1914-18, Piave, Vittorio Veneto, Italy 1917-18, Doiran 1917, 18, Macedonia 1915-18, Kut al Amara 1915, Ctesiphon, Defence of Kut al Amara, Tigris 1916, Khan Baghdadi, Mesopotamia 1914-18.

Archangel 1919

The Second World War
Defence of Escaut, Calais 1940, Cassel, Ypres-Comines Canal, Normandy Landing, Pegasus Bridge, Villers Bocage, Odon, Caen, Esquay, Bourguebus Ridge, Mont Pincon, Le Perier Ridge, Falaise, Antwerp, Hechtel, Nederrijn, Lower Maas, Roer, Ourthe, Rhineland, Reichswald, Cleve, Goch, Hockwald, Rhine, Ibbenburen, Dreirwalde, Leese, Aller, North-West Europe 1940, 44-45, Egyptian Frontier 1940, Sidi Barrani, Beda Fomm, Mersa el Brega, Agedabia, Derna Aerodrome, Tobruk 1941, Sidi Rezegh 1941, Chor es Sufan, Saunnu, Gazala, Bir Hacheim, Knightsbridge, Defence of Alamein Line, Ruweisat, Fuka Airfield, Alam el Halfa, El Alamein, Capture of Haifaya Pass, Nofilia, Tebaga Gap, Enfidaville, Medjez el Bab, Kasserine, Thala, Fondouk, Fondouk Pass, El Kourzia, Djebel Kournine, Agroub el Megas, Tunis, Hamman Lif, North Africa 1940-43, Sangro, Salerno, Santa Lucia, Salerno Hills, Cardito, Teano, Monte Camino, Garigliano Crossing, Damiano, Anzio, Cassino II, Liri Valley, Melfa Crossing, Monte Rotondo, Capture of Perugia, Monte Malbe, Arezzo, Advance to Florence, Gothic Line, Coriano, Gemmano Ridge, Lamone Crossing, Orsara, Tossignano, Argenta Gap, Fossa Cembalina, Italy 1943-45, Veve, Greece 1941, 44,45, Crete, Middle East 1941, Arakan Beaches, Tamandu, Burma 1943-44.

Victoria Crosses of The Regiment

1854 Rfn F Wheatley
1854 Bt Maj The Hon H.H Clifford
1854 Capt W.J.M Cunninghame
1854 Bt Maj C.T Bourchier
1855 Lt J. Knox
1855 Rfn J. Bradshaw
1855 Rfn R. Humpston
1855 Rfn R. McGregor
1857 Rfn S. Turner
1857 C/Sgt S. Garvin
1857 Rfn J. Thompson
1857 Lt A.S.Heathcote
1857 Rfn J. Divane
1857 Bglr R. Hawthorne
1857 Bglr W. Sutton
1857 L/Cp l H. Smith
1857 C/Sgt G Waller
1858 Capt H. Wilmot
1858 Cpl W. Nash
1858 Rfn D. Hawkes
1858 Rfn V. Bambrick
1858 Rfn S. Shaw
1859 Pte H. Addison
1864 Capt F.A. Smith
1866 Rfn T. O`Hea
1879 Bt Lt Col R.H. Buller
1882 Rfn F Corbett
1884 Lt P.S. Marling
1899 Capt W.N. Congreve
1899 Lt The Hon. F.H.S Roberts
1900 Rfn E. Durrant
1901 Lt L.A.E. Price-Davies
1903 Bt Maj J.E. Gough
1914 Lt J.H.S. Dimmer
1914 Capt J.F.P. Butler
1915 CSM H. Daniels
1915 A/Cpl C.R. Noble
1915 L/Sgt DW Belcher
1915 Rfn W. Mariner
1915 2/Lt S.C Woodroffe
1915 Cpl A. G. Drake
1915 Rfn G. Peachment
1916 Bt Maj W. La T. Congreve
1916 Sgt A. Gill
1917 Lt Col A.D. Borton
1917 2/Lt G.E. Cates
1917 CSM E. Brooks
1917 Sgt E. Cooper
1917 Sgt W.F. Burman
1917 Rfn A.E. Shepherd
1918 L/Sgt J.E. Woodall
1918 Sgt W. Gregg
1918 Rfn W. Beesley
1918 L/Cpl A. Wilcox
1941 Rfn J. Beeley
1942 Lt Col V. Turner

You are right about the marching speed, its bloody hard work ,140 paces per minute (normal is 120, and guards are slower).

Phil

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By: skypilot62 - 24th May 2004 at 12:49

Served a full 21 years? That’s quite a harsh sentence even for a scouser! 😀 😉

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By: Moggy C - 24th May 2004 at 09:51

Loved the Aussie ‘Lift-Tenant’ 🙂

My brother actually joined the KRRC (despite being from Liverpool, not London) as a Boy Soldier at the age of fifteen. He did a full 21 years.

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By: Dave Homewood - 24th May 2004 at 00:43

Interesting, thanks guys. Sorry about my spurious earlier posting about the rank of Colour Sergeant not being in the Army any more, I was going by what I’d read on websites rather than real experience like many of you chaps.

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By: atc pal - 23rd May 2004 at 22:56

[QUOTE=skypilot62]The Royal Green Jackets – They were unique in being the first line regiment to wear less comspicuous green instead of the red uniforms of the day. They also have a faster pace of march than most other units. ]

Which explains why they survived so long 😉

Best regards

(Warrant Officer)

(For too many years!)

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By: skypilot62 - 23rd May 2004 at 15:17

Don’t even start me on that one….!

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By: JDK - 23rd May 2004 at 13:33

Quite sad really but its called progress apparently!

And mislaying an Empire, which once needed ‘policing’.

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By: skypilot62 - 23rd May 2004 at 09:51

The Royal Green Jackets comprises a number of former Rifle regiments, mainly from London e.g. Kings Royal Rifle Corps, The Rifle Brigade (Prince Consorts Own). The latter being originally the 95th Regiment of Foot, as seen in the Sharpe novels and TV programme (I think!). They were unique in being the first line regiment to wear less comspicuous green instead of the red uniforms of the day. They also have a faster pace of march than most other units. The RGJ are now an amalgam of various regiments, each battalion representing one of the “original” regiments. Quite sad really but its called progress apparently!

If you want to know more I can bore you further – my best mate served with them and my grandfather served in the Rifle Brigade (Prince Consorts Own) in WW2, plus several relatives served in the Kings Royal Rifle Corps (being a bit of a London lad!)

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By: Snapper - 23rd May 2004 at 07:57

“Royal Anglians were my old lot (and Snapper’s too)”

Although I was in a superior battalion of course 😉

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By: Arabella-Cox - 23rd May 2004 at 00:22

Dave,

Yes, the Royal Greenjackets are one of our ever dwindling infantry Regiments, most of which are still organised along regional lines; Royal Anglians were my old lot (and Snapper’s too), which encompassed most of Eastern England. The Royal Greenjackets (RGJ) are Berkshire, Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire I believe.

The ranks in an infantry regiment, in descending order of importance, are:

Regimental Sergeant Major (RSM, aka God)
Company Sergeant Major (CSM)
Colour Sergeant
Sergeant
Corporal
Lance Corporal
Private
2nd Lieutenant. 😉

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By: Dave Homewood - 23rd May 2004 at 00:06

My brother was one. With the Greenjackets.

Pronounced “Colour Sarnt” 😉

We also have a rank of Lieutenant. Pronounced “Leftenant”, Not to be confused with the American equivalent of “Loo Tenant” which is presumably somebody who rents space in a gentleman’s cloakroom?

(Freindly transatlantic ribbing, driven by contact with Mr Patterson) 🙂 🙂 🙂

Moggy

Good one Moggy, made me giggle. Does that mean that a Left-Tenant is an Australian who lives in an elevator? 🙂

Who are the Greenjackets attached to? Is that Army?

Cheers
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By: Kye - 22nd May 2004 at 23:22

“We also have a rank of Lieutenant. Pronounced “Leftenant”, Not to be confused with the American equivalent of “Loo Tenant” which is presumably somebody who rents space in a gentleman’s cloakroom?”

Lol i hope that doesnt mean what i’m thinking it means, I’m supposed to become a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy in a couple of years

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By: crazymainer - 22nd May 2004 at 22:02

Flood,

Thanks for the site

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By: Flood - 22nd May 2004 at 22:01

Try here:-
Victoria Cross site

Flood.â„¢

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By: crazymainer - 22nd May 2004 at 21:54

Hey Guys,

Thanks, for all the info. Now for a follow up to watching Zulu it stated that in all of the British Military Service that the VC was awarded to 11 member at Rork Mission.

My question is has the VC ever been awarded to a Non-CommanWealth Service person?

Thanks Again 🙂

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By: Snapper - 22nd May 2004 at 21:42

Who said you could even speak Taffy?

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By: MarkG - 22nd May 2004 at 21:37

Question for are (sic) English Friends

Presumably, as a Welshman, I’m not permitted to attempt to answer this question :rolleyes:

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By: Snapper - 22nd May 2004 at 20:39

“Pronounced “Colour Sarnt” “

Pronounced Colour in my battalion.

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By: skypilot62 - 22nd May 2004 at 19:32

Presumably the question is one for “OUR” English friends or is that spelt differently overseas as well? 😀 😉

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By: Moggy C - 22nd May 2004 at 19:00

My brother was one. With the Greenjackets.

Pronounced “Colour Sarnt” 😉

We also have a rank of Lieutenant. Pronounced “Leftenant”, Not to be confused with the American equivalent of “Loo Tenant” which is presumably somebody who rents space in a gentleman’s cloakroom?

(Freindly transatlantic ribbing, driven by contact with Mr Patterson) 🙂 🙂 🙂

Moggy

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