R.A.E. Farnborough Fairchild Packet

It would seem that these aircraft were crewed by personnel from the 60th TCW. Other types on loan to the RAE (F-86A for example) were flown by RAF pilots so it seems to have varied, depending on loan agreement.

I always thought it was interesting that the USAF had enough aircraft to loan a operational example of a valuable type to an ally for use as a photo platform. And it seems to have been used for press or publicity shots, not aircraft test photography.

And who crewed it, did RAF pilots check out in it, or did Americans fly it (of so, where were they based, they presumably had other duties?).

For info the movement of the two C-82As is as follows:

45-57740; 60th Troop Carrier Wing (Medium), Rhein-Main; 60th TCW (M) Farnborough 05Dec51; to 85th Air Depot Wing Erding 17Nov52

45-57784; 60th Troop Carrier Wing (Medium), Rhein-Main; 60th TCW (M) Farnborough 13Aug51; to 85th Air Depot Wing Erding 19Nov51

While ‘Googling’ to find more about an old photo, accidently came across this totally ‘zombie’ thread – which did provide the information I required – that this Amercian built (therefore ineligible to appear) aircraft was at the S.B.A.C. air show in 1956.

In return, although I doubt that the original contributors are still waiting for a reply, a photo of 12611 C-119C Packet at Farnborough during the 1956 S.B.A.C. event.

This, along with many other ’50s Farnborough photos can be found on:S.B.A.C. AIR DISPLAYS AT FARNBOROUGH – 1950s | North West Air News (proboards.com)

C-82 and C-119 Farnborough

Thanks to pagen01 and Short Finals for spotting the ground shot was a C-82….I learned something!!….it would be interesting to know if the serials match the ones in Steve Bond’s photos mentioned in the 2005 post in this revived zombie thread

Confusion is my fault sorry, ground shot is definately C-82, given away by single wheel and other features of the undercarriage, three bladed props and the steeper sides to the forward fusalage.
The flyer looks like an early C-119 without the underboom fin extensions, and I’m guessing that Longshot is correct on the serials.
Didn’t all C-119s have the diamond black undersides to hide the soot?!

C-119 or C-82

Presumably, then, the aerial shot is 51-2611 the C-119C in 1953 and the ground shot probably 45-57740 the C-82 in 1952 or 45-57784 if in 1951….the aerial shot has paint diagonals under the wings and 4-bladed props

pagen01….I originally thought the ground shot was a C-82 from the squareness of the door frame…..I still think the flying shot is a C-119…..there are no ‘lightening’ holes in the top horizontal door frame and there are no fin extensions below the booms (there are photos of C-119Cs like that)

Jim Jobe thanks for the precise info on the C-82s and C-119s seconded to the UK

The ground shot is definitely a C-82 – note that it has three-bladed props and you can also just make out that the main undercarriage is of the single-wheel type, unlike the C-119, which had two wheels on each side.

C-119 or C-82

pagen01….I originally thought the ground shot was a C-82 from the squareness of the door frame…..I still think the flying shot is a C-119…..there are no ‘lightening’ holes in the top horizontal door frame and there are no fin extensions below the booms (there are photos of C-119Cs like that)

Jim Jobe thanks for the precise info on the C-82s and C-119s seconded to the UK

Nice period pics, confirms type as a C-82 though!

But both C-82 and C-119C were based at Farnborough, albeit not at the same time,
Jim

C-119 0r C-82

What features make it a C-82, pagen01?

Scanned from Charles E Brown’s ‘Camera above the Clouds’ Vol I

Nice period pics, confirms type as a C-82 though!

The Scramble Airshow Archive has 51-2611 a P&W R-4360 engined C-119C listed at Farnborough 1956/1957….scans from Charles E Brown’s book show one being used as a photoship in 1953 , see post #30 on link
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84084&highlight=c82+c119

I would like to see more info/pics on the C-82 used by the UK

This was at Farnborough at the 1956 show and was used as an air to air photo mount before return to the USAF. The 1957 Scramble entry is an error.
There was some discussion on this subject in the “Navigator” section of Aeroplane in the last year but see also :
P.J.Cooper 2006 “Farnborough: 100 Years of British Aviation” Midland Counties. Page 107.
Jim

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C-119 ‘Photoship’ at Farnborough 1953

Scanned from Charles E Brown’s ‘Camera above the Clouds’ Vol I

Bit late adding to this but have Just found a copy of ‘Forever Farnborough’ by P.J.Cooper

Mr Cooper is the very expert I mentioned I have asked him to join this forum a few times too.
He has an collection of aicraft images that would make you ALL cry!!
Come on Pete join us!!

Rgds

Isn’t this the same aircraft being discussed on another thread?
Possibly used for filming the air to air SBAC show arrivals of the period aswel.

Fairchild Packet Farnborough mid Fifties

The Scramble Airshow Archive has 51-2611 a P&W R-4360 engined C-119C listed at Farnborough 1956/1957….scans from Charles E Brown’s book show one being used as a photoship in 1953 , see post #30 on link
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=84084&highlight=c82+c119

I would like to see more info/pics on the C-82 used by the UK

“Strange that no pictures or details have turned up “

See my earlier posts!

Yes David, same chap. The two-part article in Aeroplane covered pretty much his whole career, an interesting read.

Out of interest is Air Cdre Roger Topp the same gentleman who was the leader of the ‘Black Arrows’ ?