RAF/FAA Grumman Goose history needed

If he was to paint it in Military markings??
Then surely the one in IJN markings would be the show stopper IMO
Link – http://www.axis-and-allies-paintworks.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2685
Regards Duggy.

Re colours: Temperate Sea Scheme is a pretty safe bet, given that the Goslings operated similarly were in that scheme. There is a good colour picture of a Grumman hangar showing a range of aircraft types, and although I can’t be certain it may include a Goose in TSS. I’m not sure where this has been published, but I’d look in the Jeff Ethell’s books first.

Re colours: Temperate Sea Scheme is a pretty safe bet, given that the Goslings operated similarly were in that scheme. There is a good colour picture of a Grumman hangar showing a range of aircraft types, and although I can’t be certain it may include a Goose in TSS. I’m not sure where this has been published, but I’d look in the Jeff Ethell’s books first.

FP478 colliding with a Blackburn Shark, another rare aircraft! Well that had to be in the Trinidad area, the Goose with 749 Squadron, andf the Shark perhaps 750 or 755 squadron?

FP492 lost on 2.9.42, circumstances unknown…but all lost.

Seems that the training school area set aside in Trinidad was on a greater war footing than expected as the shipping and U-boat traffic in the area became busy in 1942…Havent found any ohter real infomation other than 749 Squadron, then a few to 24 Squadron as VIP aircraft at Hendon, perhaps a few operated in that Squadron by ATA pilots on ferry duty, returning crews? Little information on these planes…

Portugese use has been further understood that several “Flying Boat” G-21’s were used in Macau until 1960? or so with the 3rd Regiao Aerea, as well as the Azores …however all I have found today is one small picture…neat in retrospect, as I had not seen this one before…

http://aerodino.no.sapo.pt/g-21.html

and then I found this….believed to be ex NX 107…can anyone ID the other stuff in the scrapyard…date unknown!!!

http://forum.modelismo-na.net/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=13933&start=60

RAF/FAA Grumman Goose history needed

Talking of a Grumman Goose in unusual markings, Channel 4 is currently showing the 1967 movie “Tobruk” (starring George Peppard and Rock Hudson)…

The connection to this thread is early on in the movie, which features a Grumman Goose in overall light grey colours, and fake Luftwaffe markings.

Wonder which aircraft was used? It is probably meant to be HK822 (although it probably is not that actual aircraft) which would have been “in the right place and time” (North Africa, September 1942).

So, which Gooses (Geese?) were airworthy in 1967, at the time this film was made? Could it be FP511, which started this thread?

RAF/FAA Grumman Goose history needed

Talking of a Grumman Goose in unusual markings, Channel 4 is currently showing the 1967 movie “Tobruk” (starring George Peppard and Rock Hudson)…

The connection to this thread is early on in the movie, which features a Grumman Goose in overall light grey colours, and fake Luftwaffe markings.

Wonder which aircraft was used? It is probably meant to be HK822 (although it probably is not that actual aircraft) which would have been “in the right place and time” (North Africa, September 1942).

So, which Gooses (Geese?) were airworthy in 1967, at the time this film was made? Could it be FP511, which started this thread?

In answer to J Boyle’s question, yes I’d love to see a Goose in RN colours! To be honest, there seems to be a bit of a shortage of Geese in military colours of any sort, so any military scheme would be welcome.

I don’t know for sure, but I would hazzard a guess that they were finished in the temperate sea scheme. I say this based on the fact that Grumman purchased British paints for the Wildcat and Hellcat production lines (rather than mixing thier own or using approximate US-spec colours) and it would make sense for the Geese to be painted up the same.

Is the pic that I have contributed in #15 in Temperate Land or Temperate Sea colour scheme?

The censor may well have obliterated the serial number, so is it possible to identify it at all?

More photos of RN Geese 1As in the FP range would be welcome.

Just out of curiousity, how excited would the UK historic aviation community be to see it in its wartime colours? (Not that it’s my decision mind you…)

Pick one….
1. Very Much! 🙂
2. Yes, it would be nice.
3. Not really since its a minor type…and American
4. Don’t care since I won’t see it and it won’t be at Legends…

Wish you a good new Year 2012!

More photos of RN Geese 1As in the FP range would be welcome.

Just out of curiousity, how excited would the UK historic aviation community be to see it in its wartime colours? (Not that it’s my decision mind you…)

Pick one….
1. Very Much!
2. Yes, it would be nice.
3. Not really, since its a minor type…
4. Don’t care since I won’t see it and it won’t be at Legends…

Please help identify Goose I

Source: ‘Aircraft of The Fighting Powers’ from 1942 and another book whose title page has been lost but on pg 170 it states:

“Photo shows JRF-6B….” and is credited to Grunman Aircraft.

Hi,
they have four flying here in BC, but have unfortunately lost two since I have been here.
But they may have technical info that might help.
cheers
Jerry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Coastal_Airlines

On August 3, 2008, a Grumman Goose aircraft with seven passengers and crew crashed during a flight from Port Hardy to Chamiss Bay. The aircraft was completely destroyed by a fire. There were only two survivors.

On November 16, 2008 a Grumman Goose aircraft with 8 passengers and crew crashed during a flight from Vancouver International Airport to Toba Inlet, BC. The plane exploded into a mass of burning wreckage according to the lone survivor. This person was rescued up by the Coast Guard on South Thormanby Island off British Columbia’s Sunshine Coast

“The Geese operated out in the Caribbean etc have I understand had a bit of a chequered history.There was a very detailed documentary in the Air Crash Investigation series about the Geese being operated between the Islands by one of the companies following a rather unpleasant accident. Mike E”

I think what you might be referring to are the Mallards that were operated by Chalks, who’ve since gone bust.

The Geese operated out in the Caribbean etc have I understand had a bit of a chequered history.There was a very detailed documentary in the Air Crash Investigation series about the Geese being operated between the Islands by one of the companies following a rather unpleasant accident. Mike E

My friend is well aware of the problems the type (and others) have with corrosion and age-related issues. He is a aeronautical engineer, CEO and owner of an aerospace-related firm. The Goose will be his 19th restoration of vintage aircraft ranging from a Super Cub to an AT-6, to an award winning Beech Staggerwing, all done as a hobby for personal use. In short, before spending any money on an aircraft, he did his homework, knew what to look for and did a very detailed inspection of the aircraft. He spoke to owners and specialist shops so he knows what issues to look for.

My friend is a perfectionist…he does work to a very high standard and has the resources to make sure the aircraft is safe.
In other words, not a “cowboy”.

His particular aircraft has a very sound airframe, with much recent work to the hull and keel done by two previous owners but never completed. It’s been in a museum for years and while its primary flight controlls are fitted, other subsystems; electrical, fuel and oil, need to be reinstalled. He already has a set of Grumman drawings for the aircraft.
When completed, it will be in his personal collection and used for pleasure flying…from fresh water.

N95467 as an example had three known accidents with three different probable causes

27.8.65
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=73469&key=0
5.12.67
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=15430&key=0
11.11.78
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=38783&key=0

Firebex,

Are you sure you have your facts straight about the Goose issues? I understood that the problems you are referring to applied to the Mallards.

Please excuse the damp squid comment and questions to follow.

The Geese operated out in the Caribbean etc have I understand had a bit of a

chequered history.There was a very detailed documentary in the Air Crash

Investigation series about the Geese being operated between the Islands by one

of the companies following a rather unpleasant accident .It seemed the

maintenance was shall we call it politely less that it should be and the main

problem seemed to resolve around unauthorized modifications and un

reported problems involving as I recall corrosion in and around the Fuel tank

bay in the wing root area.This was highlighted by leaks etc.It was mainly as

a result of poor maintenance and previous overhaul. I am not suggesting for

one minute your friend may have any such issues but I felt it being

highlighted might help.I don’t know if anyone else is familiar with the issues

that could be passed on and looked into for piece of mind.

With that aside it will be very good to see one flying on the show circuit we

are somewhat lacking war amphibian types except for a couple of catalinas.

Mike E

RAF/FAA Grumman Goose history needed

Air Britain’s Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945 entry for FP511 states ‘Deld 31.12.42; 749 Sqn Piarco (“W2R”) 3.43 – 8.43; Retd USN post war as Bu66331’.

66325/66361:Grumman JRF-6B

Serials reallocated from cancelled PB4Y-2 batch. Royal Navy records show a direct purchase of 50 Goose IA aircraft with C/ns 0181B/0230B and serials FP475/524 (BW778/827 originally allocated but Not Taken Up) and no previous US Navy identities listed. The book “Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945″ states that bureau numbers 66325/61 were allocated when the aircraft were returned to the US Navy after the war. It may well be that the serial block 66325/66374 was allocated in the optimistic hope that all the planes would be returned the US Navy.

“Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945” gives the following serial tieups for some of the returned aircraft:

66325: Previously FP488.
66326: Previously FP496. Unusually, this aircraft is recorded as being fitted with radar.
66327: Previously FP503.
66329: Previously FP521. Another radar-equipped aircraft.
66330: Previously FP483.
66331: Previously FP511.
66332: Previously FP515; later became N74588.
66333: Previously FP522. Another radar-equipped aircraft; later became N74676.
66335: Previously FP523. Another radar-equipped aircraft.
66336: The book states that FP514 is noted in RN records as having become 66366, but they believe it to be correctly 66336, which apparently later became N95431.
66337: Previously FP512.
66339: Previously FP480.
66340: Previously FP482.
66341: Previously FP516.
66343: Previously FP510.
66350: Previously FP501.
66351: Previously FP485.
66352: Previously FP495.
66353: Previously FR498. Another radar-equipped aircraft.
66355: Previously FP475; I had this as becoming 66325, which according to the book was FP488.
66356: Previously FP486.
66357: Previously FP497. Another radar-equipped aircraft. I had this as FP500, which according to the book went directly to Bolivia and was not returned to the USN.
66358: Previously FP502.
66359: Previously FP479.

RN serial FP472 was a Goose I ex USN JRF-5 BuNo 37796, and appears to have no connection with BuNo 66361.

source: http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/thirdseries7.html

IWM have a photo of MV993 in their archive, if that helps any.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205210238

Air Britain’s Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939 to 1945 entry for FP511 states ‘Deld 31.12.42; 749 Sqn Piarco (“W2R”) 3.43 – 8.43; Retd USN post war as Bu66331’.