June 7, 2005 at 10:13 am
Lifted from this cracking thread http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=70987&perpage=15&pagenumber=8 on PPRuNe:
The total RAF losses for 1952 were:
18 Ansons
1 Athena
22 Austers
1 Balliol
1 Beaufighter
9 Brigands
1 Buckmaster
9 Canberras
15 Chipmunks
1 Dakota
1 Dragonfly
1 Halifax
37 Harvards
3 Hastings
10 Hornets
6 Lancasters
6 Lincolns
1 Martinet
150 Meteors
32 Mosquitos
21 Oxfords
9 Prentices
5 Proctors
1 Sabre
2 Shackletons
7 Spitfires
1 Sunderland
1 Sycamore
5 Tempests
20 Tiger Moths
11 Valettas
82 Vampires
2 Varsities
1 Venom
1 Washington
15 Wellingtons
Total 505 aircraft.
Casualties were 315 killed plus 6 killed on the ground.
Sobering isn’t it.
JC
By: trumper - 7th June 2005 at 17:50
In one of our local churches in Longstanton in Cambridgeshire there are aout 6 graves of airman who died in 1952.
They died on different days so they werent part of a crew if you look at this page http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Cambridgeshire/Longstanton.html and scroll to the bottom it shows the list of names in the “Post WW2 section”
I wondered if anyone had any information regarding their histories,i enclose a photo of the graves i took earlier this year,many thanks 🙂
By: Arabella-Cox - 7th June 2005 at 15:15
Try some of these RAF losses, they certainly don’t come like this these days nor the quantity, thank goodness……….
By: Firebird - 7th June 2005 at 14:45
Remember that although these figures are clearly bad there are probably mitigating circumstances in some. In 1952 Halifii and Wellingtons were old and would not need much of an accident to make them Category E just for convenience.
Totally agree with that……but, I was adding the 😮 😮 in surprise that the RAF still had that many Wellingtons in-service to have that attrition rate at all, let alone any having any Halibag’s left…. 😮
By 1952 I thought that the Vickers one???(now in RAFM???) was pretty much a lone example.
And wasn’t it a fact that when the Dambusters was made around the same time, airworthy Lancs were supposedly pretty scarce, with the four examples used taken from store….?
I’m not surprised at the Mossie’s as PR34’s were very much in use at Seletar until ’55/56 at least, as well as many other use’s of the Mosquito home and abroad.
By: Swiss Mustangs - 7th June 2005 at 14:14
The early 50’s generally were years of high accident rates, also in other Air Forces. For example the Swiss AF lost many aircraft during 1950 – 1953 – and I can only second Melvyn’s statement – some aircraft were obsolete WW2 types with high time airframes and engines, and at the same new types with new propulsion systems were introduced (first generation jets…)- moreover, the Korean war and generally the fear of attacks from the East led to an increased flying activity and therefore also to more accidents.
This also is valid for the French, the Italian, the Swedish and similar Air Forces.
Martin
By: ZRX61 - 7th June 2005 at 14:12
The statistic that really stands out for me is that they were losing Meteors at the rate of THREE A WEEK!!!!!
& a total of just under 10 a week for all types…
By: Melvyn Hiscock - 7th June 2005 at 14:07
Remember that although these figures are clearly bad there are probably mitigating circumstances in some. In 1952 Halifii and Wellingtons were old and would not need much of an accident to make them Category E just for convenience. Same goes for some of the other types, especially Mosquitos, they might just have had bent wingtips but if they were going out of service anyhow . . .
That does not alter, for one second, the horrifying number of casualties but might help to bring the overall number into better focus.
As for the Meteor . . .
By: Auster Fan - 7th June 2005 at 13:43
Weren’t RAF Meteors involved in Korea at that time…? Adding an operational theathre to the equation makes the numbers a bit more understandable…
Would that perhaps also account for the number of Austers lost – nearly 2 a month?
By: John C - 7th June 2005 at 13:16
http://www.korean-war.com/AirWar/AircraftType-LossList.html
Only one RAF loss throughout the Korean War? Plenty of FAA though.
Firebird, not to mention 32 Mosquitos, 6 Lancasters and 7 Spitfires.
JC
By: Firebird - 7th June 2005 at 13:12
Weren’t RAF Meteors involved in Korea at that time…?
No, it was the RAAF operated Meatboxes in Korea.
The thing that struck me about this list is looking down to find 1 x Halifax 😮 and 15 x Wellingtons 😮 😮
By: Arabella-Cox - 7th June 2005 at 13:02
Weren’t RAF Meteors involved in Korea at that time…? Adding an operational theathre to the equation makes the numbers a bit more understandable…
By: F3Hadlow - 7th June 2005 at 11:30
Shocking! 😮 🙁
By: oscar duck - 7th June 2005 at 11:20
Imagine the the baying of today’s “news hounds”….