RAF Museum Sturmovik

More interestingly what what was the spit 21 project?

Graham

Its one held by the RAF Museum in reserve storage at Stafford.

More interestingly what what was the spit 21 project?

Graham

Allright for Miles Mohawk substitute Percival Mew Gull.

Roger Smith.

Well it was flown as an RAF fighter in the film “Things to Come”:)
John

The RAFM official Collecting Statement (accessible via their website) includes the following definition of the purpose:

THE PURPOSE OF THE COLLECTION

10. To build a material record of the objects used, worn or operated by the personnel of the organisations stated in the policy aim outlined above. The military forces and other bodies covered by that statement to receive priority as below:

a) The Royal Air Force including the WRAF 1918-20, WAAF 1939-1949 and the WRAF 1949-1994, Princess Mary’s RAF Nursing Service, allied air and reserve forces operating within the RAF 1939-1945, the Royal Flying Corps and the Royal Naval Air Service.

b) The Royal Engineers Air Battalion, the Royal Observer Corps, the Air Training Corps, the Air Defence Cadet Corps and other British air cadet organisations.

c) The Air Transport Auxiliary and the Civil Air Guard.

d) The British Emergency, Civil Defence and Auxiliary Services for periods when their activities run closely in parallel with those of the armed services.

e) The air forces of the United States of America.

f) The Imperial German air forces and the Luftwaffe 1933-1945.

g) The Imperial Japanese air forces 1939-1945.

h) Other allied air forces (focusing primarily on NATO).

i) Other enemy air forces.

j) The Army Air Corps and other British Army air forces, the Fleet Air Arm post 1938.

k) Other civilian organisations associated with the RAF.

and 100 Group on Bomber Support and Radio Counter Measures missions

… and on bombing operations with 90 Squadron

Allright for Miles Mohawk substitute Percival Mew Gull.

Roger Smith.

Miles Mohawk ??

I’ll get my coat……

Ken

After Lindberg finished with it, it was used by the RAF,

Would you like a hand getting it on ? 🙂

The relevance of the Il2 in the milestones of flight was as jeepman rightly points out, the Il2 was the most numerous military aircraft of all time… Thats why it was going to be in milestones of flight.

as well as the fact that the Museum now holds examples of aircraft from each of the major combatants in the Second World War – UK and Empire/Dominions+USA+USSR+Germany+Italy+Japan – not forgetting the fact that RAF & USA types were flown by pilots from the occupied countries

And if we have an Il-2 on show, perhaps they might give us our Stirling back :diablo:

The relevance of the Il2 in the milestones of flight was as jeepman rightly points out, the Il2 was the most numerous military aircraft of all time… Thats why it was going to be in milestones of flight.

Then clearly I’m wrong – the Il-2 has no relevance in a museum dedicated to the Royal Air Force.

So the collection should only include aircraft that the RAF either operated or fought against ??

Why is there a Robinson R-22 there ??

Or a CASA E-3B (Jungmann)? or a Clarke Glider ?

Miles Mohawk ??

I’ll get my coat……

Ken

The RAF flew B17’s with coastal command !

and 100 Group on Bomber Support and Radio Counter Measures missions

All I am saying is that an Il-2 is as relevant in the RAF Museum as a B-17

The RAF flew B17’s with coastal command !

Why would the RAF Museum want a Sturmovik. The RAF never flew them or barring Korea ever fought against them. Let the russians keep their junk and give us our Stirling back 🙂

John

Here here!!

ds

Pedant mode on: Not for the first two years – they had a non-aggression pact with the other team then.

As they had with Japan – which allowed them to deploy troops into the west, thus helping the allied cause after Barbarossa.

Under the terms of the Soviet-Japanese non-agression treaty they were supposed to hand over USAAF bomber crews that had force landed in the Soviet far east after raids on Japan.

They ignored that part – and aided the crews in ‘escaping’ to the west.

The fact that they kept the B-29’s and reverse-engineered it into the Tu-4 is another story 😀

All I am saying is that an Il-2 is as relevant in the RAF Museum as a B-17 – or any of the Axis (enemy) types for that matter.

Ken

Weren’t the Soviets our allies during WWII (or Great Patriotic War as they call it).

Debatable! – But yes, I guess according to the history books, the Soviets were allies.

I just feel that the IL-2 is a significant aeroplane and RAFM have no WW2 Russian types in their collection.

We have machines from our allies, viz Australia, Canada and the USA, there’s even a CASA Jungmann!

Would be nice to see one, just one, WW2 Soviet type…tis all!

ATB

TT

+1

I just feel that the IL-2 is a significant aeroplane and RAFM have no WW2 Russian types in their collection.

We have machines from our allies, viz Australia, Canada and the USA, there’s even a CASA Jungmann!

Would be nice to see one, just one, WW2 Soviet type…tis all!

ATB

TT

Weren’t the Soviets our allies during WWII (or Great Patriotic War as they call it).

Pedant mode on: Not for the first two years – they had a non-aggression pact with the other team then.

Just a small point to ponder…….

Weren’t the Soviets our allies during WWII (or Great Patriotic War as they call it).

So the Il-2 Shturmovik is actually an allied type – no different from the B-17G and B-24 surely ????

Just my six penn’orth…………

Ken

Here you go then.. 😉

Hi
Now that type of ruski in the RAFM.:D

Yes…:diablo:

Other wise nope …

cheers
Jerry