RAF Valley terminal approved!

I think main thing will be infrastructure to the airport as if there is not decent roads and ideally rail links might hamper any amounts of passengers!

Get out a map, look where it is, right next door to the A55, and the North Wales coast line, which runs right past the threshold or Rnwy 30

Im sure there will be a STN link with FR. I would be surprised if a Ireland/NI link didnt happen and a scotland link. Maybe linking into Paris or another european hub might work.

I think main thing will be infrastructure to the airport as if there is not decent roads and ideally rail links might hamper any amounts of passengers!

Will the RAF stay there still if it goes into Passagers ops. 🙂

James

I have to admit that will NEVER happen. MAN and LPL are really too close for that sort of flights

Did not think of them, really should think before posting – twice in one thread this has happened 😀 :rolleyes: :p

Wozza

I agree that the airport will be limited to niche services, as the link to cardiff is likely to be business traveller based, and with Cardiff there isn’t a huge number of direct services, so a link to London would be useful (but Heathrow/Gatwick the most ideal is unlikely), however perhaps a Amsterdam or Paris connection would be feasible to connect on to KL/AF

I have to admit that will NEVER happen. MAN and LPL are really too close for that sort of flights

I agree that the airport will be limited to niche services, as the link to cardiff is likely to be business traveller based, and with Cardiff there isn’t a huge number of direct services, so a link to London would be useful (but Heathrow/Gatwick the most ideal is unlikely), however perhaps a Amsterdam or Paris connection would be feasible to connect on to KL/AF

Wozza

Why? Anglesey has a population of about 4. I bet it closes after about a year. Another Manston i think

Hey manston is doing fine with its charter flights and world airways next month and a number off visits by the Red Arrows & UAEAF aircraft.

Manston went wrong with the wrong people in charge off it and also owned an airline with too many routes so read the facts before you speak.

james

If it does go ahead, I bet the management of Air Wales are going to severley kick themselves for not being able to operate an efficient service…as they would have been able to of offered the half-hour service to Cardiff…

Tbh though, I doubt it will become a substaintially important airport, because it is in an ‘out-of-the-way’ area, and the sphere of influence around it will probably make people prefer to fly direct from Cardiff. On the plus side, a service to Cardiff in half an hour, that would usually take up to 4hrs by car has got to be an advantage for anyone who decides to operate the route? I bet the air-fare will be quite high for the privilage.

It’ll never happen.

Virgin trains are bloody rubbish.

The Pendolinos are scheduled to leave the North Wales line in 2008, with upgraded Super Voyagers operating instead on an hourly basis to Chester, and a dedicated set operating from Chester to Holyhead

Thats the plan anyway :p

Well you have 5 direct trains a day from London to North Wales, with 4 heading to Holyhead, and 1 heading to Llandudno. There are plans to increase this in 2008.

My almost anorak knowledge of travelling on the Virgin Trains network says from experience…a London Air link (for those that actually pay ;)) would be superb. The trains from North Wales are loco hauled electrics as far as Crewe, which results in a 20 minute delay here because disconnecting the engine infront sends the electronics into crazy mode, or overcrowded Voyagers which smell!

It’ll never be a large airport out at Valley, to be honest I can’t see it being much of a success outside of 2 or 3 niche destinations.

Couple of interesting things will come from this, environmentalists…whats better..cars or an air service!

Also, how the civvies will fit into the oft unpredictable RAF ops, including student fast jet jockeys 😮

Forgot them, when will the operator be announced?

Not sure, but if it WILL start next year then i#m sure we’ll see an announment about the Autumn time.

EZE would be my best bet too

Eastern Airways?

Forgot them, when will the operator be announced?

The BBC article claims, “an Under 50 Seat Aircraft” – who in the area runs them, only person I know who does round that way is Air Southwest, unless Air Wales were to come back.

Eastern Airways?

i’m not sure that the dublin link will be very succesful, back in the 80’s it was tried with dublin city helicopters flying large sikorsky s-61’s, but passenger numbers were so few it folded after a while.

Totally agree Wozza, and it will be a PSO route for 3 years at least.

The A470 is being upgraded annually, again, just 2 miles down the road from me, they’ve spend millions in widening and straightning the A470 between Bwtws-y-Coed and Dowlyddelan.
Trouble is, it was only 5 miles, and took 4 years plus a lot of taxpayer’s money to complete.
So its going to be one long journey to upgrade the parts which run thru the Cambrians further south :p

As an independant observer I reckon this should be good for the local economy, but that under £100 fare sounds ominous to me, would I be right in thinking that this route would come under the PSO proposals for wales, and if so whats the odds that a similar scheme to that up in scotland whereby those who really need the route get 40% payed for them.

The BBC article claims, “an Under 50 Seat Aircraft” – who in the area runs them, only person I know who does round that way is Air Southwest, unless Air Wales were to come back.

I have to agree with the person quoted in the article stating the road link needs updating, but I believe a balance should be struck, you can’t abandon the road – as not every one will be able to afford/want to use the air link so these must be catered for – yet the air route should be provided as well,

Wozza

London link could well be popular. I’m not sure on the accessibility of the area by car/train but I’m sure it would be great news for the local area & tourism.

Well you have 5 direct trains a day from London to North Wales, with 4 heading to Holyhead, and 1 heading to Llandudno. There are plans to increase this in 2008.

Roads are a problem. The main link thru the National Park, i.e the A5, has been severely affected by a 1 mile road closure at Maerdu, which means an extra 45 min journey to get to honeypot locations like Betws-y-Coed, which is my nearest village from mine and this closure has no estimated time of repoening, which is worrying many buinesses here. Other trunk routes are the A55, which link up with the M56, and ultimatley the M6.

So if, and i say if a LON link was to be started, it would be a welcome addition, but i think a number of people here are even sceptical that the CWL link will start!

London link could well be popular. I’m not sure on the accessibility of the area by car/train but I’m sure it would be great news for the local area & tourism.

Oh how I would love to rip into every point you just made Elgan, however its a nice day and I have to meet you at least twice this summer, so I might just keep my mouth shut for once 😉 😀

Good idea 😉 😀