Right to defend using reasonable force?

Bit of an update (in the Daily Heil) & interview with the father of the deceased

Daily Wail

Thanks, Makes for very interesting reading. I see he was on Bail pending a charge of Burglary, seems it was his Forte in life. I suppose the old saying, “Crime don’t pay”, in this case is true.
I only hope that this instance helps, to deter other idiots.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

tornado.

As always you are confusing justice with something totally different and infinitely more abhorrent.

Regards,

kev35

Kev. What are your views regarding the use of reasonable force?.
Just a couple of pages will do, thanks.;)

Jim.

Lincoln .7

tornado.

As always you are confusing justice with something totally different and infinitely more abhorrent.

Regards,

kev35

ok then if four hooded gang members walk into your house tonight intent on violence to get what they want

are you ???

A going to phone the police in the vain hope they may be able to attend in the next couple of hours

or

B save your family / self through the first quick method action that ensures your safety ??

your call !!

Bit of an update (in the Daily Heil) & interview with the father of the deceased

Daily Wail

tornado.

As always you are confusing justice with something totally different and infinitely more abhorrent.

Regards,

kev35

At least he won’t be able to commit any further crimes so it was a good result!

I suppose the more liberal-minded members of the forum would have sat him down for a chat and made him a cup of tea!

It has been reported that the intruder who died was on bail at the time

as i said , he would have a record like war and peace with our legal system doing nothing but watching him walk away laughing

justice has finaly been done !!

saves the taxpayers money on an innefectual legal system

now where do we find more of this guy so we can make more police and legal system redundant !!

It has been reported that the intruder who died was on bail at the time

On another not David Graf who played Tacklberry died April 2001 after a sudden heart attack. Aged 50 only a few days away from his 51st birthday. His father and Grandfather both died aged 51 of heart problems.

I had not seen this before or had forgotten. RIP Tackleberry

Any future Police Academy films will never be the same without him,
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Merlin. I think doing a Mel Gibson, “Mooning” in your Kilt would suffice.Sure would scare me.;)

Jim.

Lincoln .7

On another not David Graf who played Tacklberry died April 2001 after a sudden heart attack. Aged 50 only a few days away from his 51st birthday. His father and Grandfather both died aged 51 of heart problems.

I had not seen this before or had forgotten. RIP Tackleberry

Tony,

Chainsaw always kept under the bed to keep the engine warm for easy starting. Baseball bat behind the bedroom door. The sawn off is just inside the bathroom door. Pump action is in the cupboard next to the bathroom. Twin desert eagles in the cupboard opposite. Samuri swords cover the living room wall along with other Katana and swords. Spare room is a bit medievil but ahem we wont go into detail on that one. We keep the mace and hammer in the kitchen along with all the knives and of course the industrial strength cattle prod ala Bottom behind the front door.

Tackleberry hasnt got a look in.

Did I mention the doberman and pitbull.

Well what do you expect we live in Edinburgh you know :diablo:

😉

The man who dealt with this burglar needs a medal, and, lets face it, it’s guaranteed to have stopped it committing any more crimes!

haleluhya !! someone that comprehends !!

we can guarantee when it comes out that this individual has a crimesheet like war and peace

with the establishment doing very little but slapping the backs of his legs

if crime in the area goes down a certain percentage we should be thanking him for vermin control !!

when 4 , lets not forget the word ( hooded ) men break into a family home

the male of the family automaticaly protectcts

to me reasonable force is irrelavant

the man is protecting his family from a very real threat , he either does something or becomes a victim

i’d say it was very reasonable even if it was one armed man against four unarmed !!

A householder should have the right to kill a burglar. In my opinion someone committing a criminal act forfeits their rights, it’s time we put the emphasis on ordinary people being able to protect their homes and families rather than hand wringing and bleating about the rights and welfare of criminal rubbish.

The man who dealt with this burglar needs a medal, and, lets face it, it’s guaranteed to have stopped it committing any more crimes!

As an aside to the O.P. Can forum members give me their interperatation of what they think “Reasonable Force” actualy means to them, without letting all the threads posted already influence their answer.
I would be very interested to know.

Oddly enough, when in the RAF they used to arm you with Pick Axe handles when a Gun was deemed over the top and told you to use “Reasonable Force” to stop any intruders….. I think I would use my previous RAF definition as my goalpost :rolleyes:
Once through that door you would be subject to Tony Law and the Law of the Land can go swing until the matter was resolved.

Merlin

Would love to see your front room…… do you keep the chainsaw on the coffee table or do you have a in case of emergencies break glass box on the wall in the hall 😉

If the intruder who was killed did not have a weapon then the people who killed him can hardly be said to have used “reasonable force”. ?

the area in question is not too many miles away from me !! i used to work in it too

you are dealing with a good deal of subordinates from there

was the homeowner correct in his action??? 100% he was

couple that with a next to useless police force that once told an old lady on finding her stolen car in the hands of a crimminal

” well if you know where it is why don’t you pinch it back ?? “

you are dealing with a hit first or be hit neighbourhood , waiting for innefectual police is a waste of time

go into an off licence there and you have to wait in a perspex cubicle show the shop assistant what you want , pay for it first , and only then do you get your mitts on it !!

the area makes dodge city look a pleasant option !!

Hi Guys. Thanks for putting pen to paper as to what you think, I would like to see more of your thoughts please.There is a very feint but distinct look emerging on this very and arguably a VERY important issue that needs resolving by The Government and the Judiciary, it would be nice to see them working hand in hand on this.

I know every case has to be argued by it’s merits, set those merits to one side, and concentrate on not that there is a potential intruder OUTSIDE your premises but INSIDE, and who is, most of the time prepared to cause you and your family harm, if he/she canot get what they want.
I personaly would not like to see a sliding scale for this, but an automatic mandatory punishment that would deter the most ardent burglar, and before you ask, no I do not mean bringing back hanging.
Jim.

Lincoln .7.

Reasonable force is that which is sufficient under the circumstances to deter the intruder from continuing in their actions and neutralise the threat they pose.

The intention to kill should not be there but if in the ensuing action that is the result then so be it.

Though filling the guttering with boiling oil and pitch is a good idea, chainsaws don’t always start up first time, cordless angle grinder (with the right fitting) would be better, smaller and easy to use in confined space

Chainsaw:rolleyes:

Nice one Kev a man after my own heart.

Better get a pump action shotgun too incase they come armed with a gun. Or better still an Uzi. At least the spray of bullets would hit every burglar in case there is more than one. Short burst of fire though remember. 🙂