RJ's

Jurassic Jet? 🙂

Comments of mine that equally apply to the RJ series –

‘Low, slow, old, out of date, ergonomically poor, noisy systems, out of production, high on maintenance, fat and ugly…weather restricted, prone to uncommanded thrust reduction, etc.

On the plus side it’s got quite good brakes…can’t think of anything else!’

As you see I’ve taken out the phrase ‘ancient cockpit’!

Seeing as most of that doesnt’ really apply to the later RJ-70/85/100, I just disregard it all.

The 146 is a great plane series in my opinion. I mean look at the huge number of operators.

And I like the looks as well. The RJ-100 looks the best to me.

Plus it’s quite unique in its look among airliners, and in my opinion unique is a good thing in an airplane.

well at least i like her looks – whatever Wys say’s!

…and that was me trying to be nice about it!

wow……wys really seems to like them :p

Low, slow, old, out of date, ergonomically poor, noisy systems, out of production, high on maintenance, fat and ugly, ancient cockpit, weather restricted, prone to uncommanded thrust reduction, etc.

On the plus side it’s got quite good brakes…can’t think of anything else!

What do you guys think about the ARJ series as compared to the ERJ and CRJ series.

a/c are usually dictated by pax! As a rule buisnessmen like high speed “jet” a/c to do the job ASAP, so where the buisnessmen are, usually you will find the biz-jet. As for the p;robs, differant sizes basically suit the differant pax demands – why bung an ATR-2 on a route if their is only a demand for 17pax per flight?

and then when we got to BSL, they decided that they would send us down to GVA…..BY COACH:mad:

lol…..almost…..i was on the 08.35 flight that ended up leaving at about 10

Originally posted by theplane
heheh…..i must admit that i am amongst those people complaining of having to take a smaller airplane….
over X-mas, SWISS stranded most of the ppl taking the LHR-GVA flight because of landing restrictions, and decided to send some of them on their flights to BSL and ZRH, with a business class upgrade…. i asked for the BSL flight because it would get me home about half an hour earlier than the ZRH flight……
and as i boarded our MD-83, i looked out the window, and wanted to shoot myself when i saw that the ZRH airplane was an A330 :p so i guess it was a bit fair to whine….
otherwise, i dont mind small airplanes….as a matter of fact, i loved the flybe 146 i came home for the summer on from SOU

ahhhhhh… that explains it… I too was on the BSL flight at Christmas (were we on the same one? I was on the 2pm from Heathrow on Christmas Eve), and was wondering why it was the MD-83, as the LX website had listed the LHR-BSL flights over the christmas period as being operated by Avro 100’s. GVA being cancelled certainly explains the bigger a/c.

Originally posted by PhantomII
So does American Eagle operate any ERJ-145’s or is it just ERJ-140’s and ERJ-135’s?

I believe they operate all 3 types, the EMB-135, 140 and 145.

Also, what is the difference between American Eagle and American Connection.

When American bought TWA, those feeders that were once TWA Express carriers became American Connection. American Eagle is the wholly owned regional carrier of American Airlines. The noticeable difference from a distance is the Eagle on the tail is all blue versus the blue and red on American Eagle aircraft.

Chautauqua Airlines and Trans States Airlines are the 2 that I can think of that fell under the American Connection banner when TWA was bought.

Also, what dictates the routes that the ERJ-135, Saab 340, and ATR-42/72 are used on?

I believe that TSA also operates the J41’s out of St. Louis for American Connection too. Who knows what is the deciding factor. It can’t be segment length as RJ’s are used for short flights as well as long flights. It gets even more confusing since the operate all the different versions of the EMB series. I think that airlines are starting to regret buying the EMB-135 and 140 since it costs just as much to operate a 145 and you can squeeze on another 6-13 passengers if they show up.

Nearly every other carrier is retiring their prop fleet (especially the large feeder carriers) and replaceing them with the CRJ and ERJ’s. Eagle and the Connection carriers will probably be following suit once the economy turns around.

Originally posted by Whiskey Delta
I was on a 737 once when a boarding passenger loudly complained about the “small” airplane. Again, I wrote them off as an infrequent passenger whose impression of airline flying is a 777 on a 1 hour flight.

heheh…..i must admit that i am amongst those people complaining of having to take a smaller airplane….
over X-mas, SWISS stranded most of the ppl taking the LHR-GVA flight because of landing restrictions, and decided to send some of them on their flights to BSL and ZRH, with a business class upgrade…. i asked for the BSL flight because it would get me home about half an hour earlier than the ZRH flight……
and as i boarded our MD-83, i looked out the window, and wanted to shoot myself when i saw that the ZRH airplane was an A330 :p so i guess it was a bit fair to whine….
otherwise, i dont mind small airplanes….as a matter of fact, i loved the flybe 146 i came home for the summer on from SOU

Originally posted by Matthew Murray
Hey,
The little ERJ145 is great..so sleak. I loved walking out to the aircraft…I love that smell and the noise….aaahh..lol….those over at A.net just hate it cos they ain’t big and american lol….Airbus anyone? lol

sorry matt, not trying to be a smart-ass or anything, but as any Brazilian (or as a matter of fact, a lot of us born south of the Rio Grande) will tell you, Brazil is in America, hence, a Brazilian airplane is American……
i know what u mean by American, but some ppl prefer to clarify that they are one country out of a rather large continent 🙂

Thanks for all the info on the ERJ-140 guys. It really clears things up.

I guess I could say I was on a rather unique aircraft.

I counted 44 seats when I got into the cabin so all that you guys told me sounds pretty accurate.

So does American Eagle operate any ERJ-145’s or is it just ERJ-140’s and ERJ-135’s?

Also, what is the difference between American Eagle and American Connection. I was looking in their in-flight magazine, (forget the name at the moment), and it said that American Connection flies the ERJ series (forget which models it said), but that was the only airplane they fly.

Also, what dictates the routes that the ERJ-135, Saab 340, and ATR-42/72 are used on? Those three planes are fairly similar (though the ATR carries a good number more passengers) in terms of their roles so I was wondering how they are all three used?

Seems like a lot of planes for a similar role.

Originally posted by PhantomII
Whiskey can you elaborate a bit more on the ERJ-140? What was the point of creating it?

American Airlines pilot group had a scope clause with American Eagle that limited Eagle to jet aircraft with less than 45 seats (I’m not 100% sure of that exact seat number). Eagle was allowed a certain number of 50+ seat jets but those numbers were limited, the amount was unlimited for <45 seat aircraft. The intent was to keep the boom of 50 seat jets out of the hands of their feeder airlines and have them flown by the mainline pilot group. We’ll American Eagle then went to Embraer and asked to build a version of the EMB-145 that would come in under the 45 seat limit of the scope but maximize their passenger number. The existing EMB-135 only carries 37 passengers so Embraer designed the EMB-140 to provide an additional 7 pax.

At some point in the last few years the scope clause has changed allowing more 50 seat jets to be flown by the feeders but I don’t know the details of the change. The EMB-140 will be one of those odd footnotes in the American airline industry.

I’d rather walk!

I flew in an ERJ145 a couple of years back and was very impressed by it. I shall be flying in a CRJ next month for my first time so I shall write a flight report.

I like the BAe 146

The reason the 140 was created is that American said they would only place an order for the aircraft if some of their specific specifications were met. The order ended up being so large (around 150 aircraft I think) that Embraer agreed to meet American’s needs for a 40 seater class aircraft and so the ERJ 140 was born. It sits nicely between the ERJ 135 (37 seats) and the ERJ 145 (49 seats).

US Airways had a similar deal with Canadair for a variation of the CRJ700 with five extra seats, this was going to be called the CRJ705, but US Airways pulled the plug on the deal and the aircraft was never produced.

Hope that helps Phantom 🙂