Call me nit picky, or call me Jon, whatever…! I got a lot of help on an earlier thread about some colours of a Vampire after I bought a Corgi model. I’m on the last few days of a doctors certificate at home so have time to kill so wanted to ask for another view point. Hobby Master have out an unusual looking RN Avenger – rather than post pictures, take a look at :
http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HA1203
This seems a hotch-potch of WW2 and later Suez markings to me? My limited research says that there was not an HMS Bulwark in 1945, and the stripes look Suez to me, but I thought the “torpedo” bomber avengers were all gone by then and the RN had AEW versions only? Any views, comments?
By: BSG-75 - 8th November 2007 at 11:16
Hobby master do a few…
it seems that the “RN Beryl The Peril” was mismarked, with RN not French navy markings. They do a few varients, Corgi will bring one out soon but if you are fussy like me, it will put you off as underneath it will have a big black “corgi” stamp – I heard that is because they were made by HM for Corgi who had some production problems. Flying Mule website has 4 or 5 pics per model, have a shufty there. I find generally that the hobby master models are very good, I have an F-14 in Japanese markings, Iraqi MIG-21, A-10 as well as the RNZAF avenger
By: EHVB - 8th November 2007 at 11:01
not so much don’t like, more that they seemed to be incorrect, RN not French Navy as per the details above. No matter now, have made room for the RNZAF version now.
Is there a HB French Navy Avenger then? Didn’t know, not that I mind, I am going to buy them all I think (yes, I like Avengers). BW Roger
By: BSG-75 - 8th November 2007 at 08:52
not so much don’t like, more that they seemed to be incorrect, RN not French Navy as per the details above. No matter now, have made room for the RNZAF version now.
By: Mark V - 7th November 2007 at 18:46
seems colours are OK, but roundels are wrong on the die-cast?
What do you not like about the roundels?
By: wieesso - 7th November 2007 at 16:04
still, I went for this in the end, you tell me that this isn’t worth the price, it was less than £20!!
http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HA1204
been after an Avenger a while, didn’t want a “George W Bush” one…..
Several photos of TBM-3e Avenger ZK-TBM (as NZ2518) here
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/aviation.html
scroll down to Grumman TBM Avenger (27 images)
By: BSG-75 - 7th November 2007 at 14:16
not that I recall, not my real area of knowledge though!
still, I went for this in the end, you tell me that this isn’t worth the price, it was less than £20!!
http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HA1204
been after an Avenger a while, didn’t want a “George W Bush” one…..
By: pagen01 - 7th November 2007 at 14:00
After my post it occurred to me that Bulwark had COD/Ships Flight Avengers so possibly could have been one of those.
Was there any sort on sub threat during Suez?
By: EHVB - 7th November 2007 at 13:57
2 RN Avengers were used during the Suez crises. The HB one was one of them. They were used for CODs duties and although they had a turret, I am almost 100% sure the gun was out of it during the event. BW Roger
By: BSG-75 - 7th November 2007 at 12:57
I agree…
was more asking for “help” before I chose – its a growing industry it seems, more and more manufacturers coming through, hence more ideas, more competition which for a buyer is good news! If you buy these at all, check out a “model zone” shop, the drop the prices nicely!
By: JDK - 7th November 2007 at 12:37
…They do an all black special ops Lysander but it keeps the old message retrieval hook from early and pre WW2 use for example…
There’s a myth that floats around that the SD Squadrons refitted and used the hook. They didn’t.
Bear in mind that it’s always harder to get it right than to critique it – whether it’s your kit-build, a diecast, a repaint of a warbird or anything. No one forces you to pay, so natural selection…
By: BSG-75 - 7th November 2007 at 12:16
Interesting….
seems colours are OK, but roundels are wrong on the die-cast? It does give me the ‘ump when they charge money and don’t do the research, some of these die-cast models are superb (I’ve got about 65 odd now) far better than I can do with plastic kits with air brush etc. Corgi are now banging out fully rigged bi-planes (Gladiator and Swordfish) – WW1 SE5a etc in the pipeline, but then they (and others) drop clangers like this. They do an all black special ops Lysander but it keeps the old message retrieval hook from early and pre WW2 use for example. I picked up the RNZAF Avenger in the end, just need to convince the wife that it will make a decent Xmas gift for her….:rolleyes:
By: wieesso - 7th November 2007 at 11:04
XB374 Avenger AS5 d/d 19/05/1953, ex 53294, to FN as 53294
http://www.ukserials.com/results.php?serial=XB
…and a pic from Scale Aircraft Modelling of Nov.’84
By: pagen01 - 7th November 2007 at 09:38
Even the historical write up (which is basically right) contradicts the product (which looks completey wrong)!.
The Avenger AS.4 was indeed used as a stop gap for the delayed Gannet programme, and I’m pretty sure was gone from front-line service by the time of Suez. They were still in use by 831Sqn (and possibly other second-line units) in early ECM role in to at least the late ’50s. I have pics of ‘Dennis the Menace’ at Culdrose, while with 831, in the late ’50s.
I do know that Gannets were readied for service for Suez to operate from Nicosia and Hal Far (and possibly on Bulwark), but they did’nt wear stripes and believe not used.
The AEW role was carried out by Douglas Skyraider AEW.1s, I thought these were the first FAA AEW aircraft.
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