Russian Antiship Missile

Nice!!!

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launching of a cruise missiles 8PU Rastrub-B Otan SS-N-14 Silex from project 1135 Burevestnik, Otan Krivak I

Its primary role was anti sub… the anti surface capability was secondary.

Exocets and Harpoons were not that manouverable either and do very little terminal manouvering.

yeps, that’s her. Now that’s one hell of an ugly missile… Never seen such a strange design. Look at the tailfin, it’s not even centered. I really wonder how maneuverable and effective this thing could be against any ship defense…

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Complex RPK-3 Metel, RPK-4 Musson, Rastrub-B Otan SS-N-14 Silex

cruise missiles 8PU with the homing antisubmarine torpedos UMGT-1 as the warheads

Range, km 50
Depth of defeat, m 500
Flight speed, M 0.95
The maximum altitude of flight, m 400
Launching weight, kg about 4000
Length of rocket, m 7.2
Diameter of the missile body, mm 574
Full diameter, m 1.35

Guess what this is:

This is what I call a true Mini-Moskit (it’s 1/400):

Be aware that this missile is in fact only half the size of the one in the picture, it’s taken with a macro zoom… I do still have to paint her nose black though.
I know she’s not fully 100% on scale, but normally you won’t notice once she’s in place.

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Photos the missile P-1 Strela Shchuka-A OTAN SS-N-1 Scrubber and Launcher

Launcher

Vikhr is fine, I agree with Srbin! If they come with a container vessel or smaller vessel, you might want to board it, not sink it.

There are a range of problems they might have to deal with… fisheries cheats, drug or weapons smugglers, criminals or terrorists, or even pirates. these different requirements will draw differing reactions from the FSB. A Terrorist wanting to ram a huge container ship loaded with explosives into a cruise ship or something would warrant if not sinking it certainly completely stopping it in the water… and as quickly as possible… a 50kg HE warhead in the stern or bow might do that 10kgs probably won’t.

It should also be taken in account that the Vikhr armed ships mostly have a speed of 35-40kts (like Sobol) and that there is no merchant ship or fishing vessel that goes that fast…

And such a partol craft will not likely have more than a dozen crew whereas a container ship might have several hundred well armed men and women. Being able to sail faster means nothing if you aren’t able to board her due to the amount of small arms fire you are receiving forcing you to remain outside 500m range of it… what are you going to do with a 10,000 ton container ship steaming at 18 knots?

I think Garry is pretty smart,

Thank you.

but imo little too pro-Russian. He seems to defend just about every Russian weapon built out there. I have never heard him say anything bad about any Russian weapon

I have a strong interest in Russian equipment that leads to a situation where I can talk about the Russian weapon in a particular category more than a western weapon in that category, but if that makes me biased then I guess most people here who disagree with me are biased the other way (not necessarily pro us or pro west, just anti russian.)

I think Garry is pretty smart, but imo little too pro-Russian. He seems to defend just about every Russian weapon built out there. I have never heard him say anything bad about any Russian weapon

Hmm, Garry, you’re time has come, from now on, you’ll have to take a very good look around before you come out of your door! You again wanted to sink merchies!!! 😉
Vikhr is fine, I agree with Srbin! If they come with a container vessel or smaller vessel, you might want to board it, not sink it. With Vikhr and it’s range, you can perfectly aim at the ship’s steering gear, hence criple it fair enough to go and try a boarding.
Before you engage a smuggler, you’ll call for back-up, so if they have Kornet and you put your GMDSS or other distress signal to the base, they ‘ll just send some heloes or stronger ships to waste this pirate vessel. I wouldn’t waste an Uran if I didn’t know they had Kornet or not. If they have it, there’s only one way to find out…
Vikhr’s just fine! Nothing more is necessary, I wonder how many more missile types they are going to develop…
It should also be taken in account that the Vikhr armed ships mostly have a speed of 35-40kts (like Sobol) and that there is no merchant ship or fishing vessel that goes that fast… So, there is really no need to shoot at them, since they can’t run away and they can hardly hurt you since they’re a lot less manoeuverable than you are.

I’ll have a look.

…BTW that drawing in the first post listed as 16X looks a lot like a pulse jet target/aerial drone called E-95.

…sorry.. had a look… couldn’t find any pictures. 🙁

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I need photos the Russian system of missiles P-1 Strela Shchuka-A OTAN SS-N-1 Scrubber

thanks for the collaboration

Not to mention there is always the chance now that the smugglers/pirates could have a couple of Kornet type ATGMs of their own embarked.

That being the case the slim range advantage offered by a Vikhr/Ataka type weapon may be less insurance than you’d desire. In that situation the ability to lay off 20km or so and prosecute an attack could be seriously advantageous.

Still, if you really cannot sink something large with a Vikhr, then use the 2 Urans. 2 Will be more than enough because you’re not gona have tons of larger ships on your scope, maybe 1 at most.

Who is trying to sink? The main reason Vikhr and Shturm and Ataka are used is because they are unlikely to sink a vessel and they are very cheap. This new missile might be fired at the stern of a vessel to stop it but it would be very rare to actually want to sink a target… for a start most countries will confiscate the vessel and sell it to cover the costs of prosecuting the owners… if they are found guilty of course.

Just looking at the weapon I actually thought it was a Uran but with a weight of 160kgs it is scaled down a bit. I would assume they would base the weapon on the Uran and sell it to countries that have defence needs that don’t require Uran sized weapons.

It’s heavily scaled down, the SL Uran weighs like 500kg or something I think, while this thing is at mere 160kg.

Many patrol boats have no need for a real anti ship role. For example the patrol boats this weapon is to be used for in Russian service will be operated and owned by the FSB (KGB). It will be manned, operated and maintained by the FSB. This weapon offers an ability to engage small to medium sized ships at very long range but at a low weight that would allow it to be fitted to almost any sized boat above the speed boat size. Some of your really big corvettes might have Urans instead for use against large container ships or very large factory ships (fish) but 16 of them would be overkill.

Still, if you really cannot sink something large with a Vikhr, then use the 2 Urans. 2 Will be more than enough because you’re not gona have tons of larger ships on your scope, maybe 1 at most.

If it’s a problem with larger ships, then a patrol boat can carry like 2 Kh-35s + Vikhrs/Hermes, instead of building a whole new AshM which would require whole new infrastructure to support it.

Just looking at the weapon I actually thought it was a Uran but with a weight of 160kgs it is scaled down a bit. I would assume they would base the weapon on the Uran and sell it to countries that have defence needs that don’t require Uran sized weapons.

Not only that, but the 2 Kh-35s could even be used in real Anti-Shipping role, due to it’s longer range, not having to have to get close 40kms with the other one even if you have twice as more.

Many patrol boats have no need for a real anti ship role. For example the patrol boats this weapon is to be used for in Russian service will be operated and owned by the FSB (KGB). It will be manned, operated and maintained by the FSB. This weapon offers an ability to engage small to medium sized ships at very long range but at a low weight that would allow it to be fitted to almost any sized boat above the speed boat size. Some of your really big corvettes might have Urans instead for use against large container ships or very large factory ships (fish) but 16 of them would be overkill.

Smugglers come in many sizes… from small fishing boats to full sized container ships. Remember a Patrol boat also has a secondary border protection function as well. Having a fire and forget weapon that is both small and light is actually very useful. There is no reason why a small patrol craft couldn’t be fitted with both Shturm or Vikhr and this new weapon. The advantages of the Vikhr like very low cost of the actual weapon makes it very useful against land, sea, shore and air targets out to about 10km, but against a large ship a 10 kg warhead might not be enough. No doubt for many targets the vessel is likely to have an automatic 76mm or even 100mm gun which is great for warning shots or to show you mean business without actually siking the target. ATGMs offer precision one shot engagement capability out to 6km or 10km depending upon the model, but no gun or AT missile can be used out to 40km and many targets require a bit more punch. And as I said the advantages of having the same weapons options for your helo and also with an all weather capability justify the cost… though most of the time they will not need to be used.

A deep sea fishing boat… the really big factory boats that freeze and package the catch at sea will not be stopped by a 10kg warhead. The 28kg warhead on Hermes will do more damage but that is no available at the moment and will most likely be a laser homing weapon as well, which will require someone to mark the target with a laser. Such a setup is not all weather. (I would assume that Hermes will mature and aquire MMW radar homing capability to match land based Helos detection capabilities) The early models will be 15km range anyway. With SALH guidance weather will be a huge factor.

If it’s a problem with larger ships, then a patrol boat can carry like 2 Kh-35s + Vikhrs/Hermes, instead of building a whole new AshM which would require whole new infrastructure to support it. Not only that, but the 2 Kh-35s could even be used in real Anti-Shipping role, due to it’s longer range, not having to have to get close 40kms with the other one even if you have twice as more.

If you’re gona attack smugglers, which are not going to actually have any larger boats and such nor anything besides MANPADS, a Vikhr will do fine. Hell even the newer ship launched Hermes with 40km range will probablybe good enough, yet it’s lighter and provides commonality with the ground launched ones. I think the Vikhr-M is good enough.

Smugglers come in many sizes… from small fishing boats to full sized container ships. Remember a Patrol boat also has a secondary border protection function as well. Having a fire and forget weapon that is both small and light is actually very useful. There is no reason why a small patrol craft couldn’t be fitted with both Shturm or Vikhr and this new weapon. The advantages of the Vikhr like very low cost of the actual weapon makes it very useful against land, sea, shore and air targets out to about 10km, but against a large ship a 10 kg warhead might not be enough. No doubt for many targets the vessel is likely to have an automatic 76mm or even 100mm gun which is great for warning shots or to show you mean business without actually siking the target. ATGMs offer precision one shot engagement capability out to 6km or 10km depending upon the model, but no gun or AT missile can be used out to 40km and many targets require a bit more punch. And as I said the advantages of having the same weapons options for your helo and also with an all weather capability justify the cost… though most of the time they will not need to be used.

A deep sea fishing boat… the really big factory boats that freeze and package the catch at sea will not be stopped by a 10kg warhead. The 28kg warhead on Hermes will do more damage but that is no available at the moment and will most likely be a laser homing weapon as well, which will require someone to mark the target with a laser. Such a setup is not all weather. (I would assume that Hermes will mature and aquire MMW radar homing capability to match land based Helos detection capabilities) The early models will be 15km range anyway. With SALH guidance weather will be a huge factor.

I disagree. This is for a patrol boat… for fisheries protection or to stop smugglers. This missile is probably in the Sea Skua class and probably has a similar warhead of 30-50kg. Although possibly able to disable a larger military vessel it offers an option less likely to blow the target to scrap, while at the same time offering more chance of stopping the target than the 5-10kg HE warhead of a modified anti tank missile like Vikhr or Shturm. At 160kgs it would be very useful for helos as a weapon that is not too heavy for several to be carried yet having a range well outside all short and some medium range SAMs. Few smugglers have medium range SAMs.

If you’re gona attack smugglers, which are not going to actually have any larger boats and such nor anything besides MANPADS, a Vikhr will do fine. Hell even the newer ship launched Hermes with 40km range will probablybe good enough, yet it’s lighter and provides commonality with the ground launched ones. I think the Vikhr-M is good enough.