November 6, 2004 at 1:47 am
Just wondering if there were any BB’s operating during the war, if so, what were they and where did they operate from?
By: Ja Worsley - 23rd November 2004 at 06:28
Wan: hahahahahaha thanks mate, I can afford the cost of living, it’s the high cost of living it up that is starting to getto me 😉
By: Wanshan - 17th November 2004 at 17:27
Wan: Mate if I had time to google, then I would have found them, sadly I am far too busy these days with work and study. I now have three part time jobs and full time study.
You have my sympathy but remember, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
By: Ja Worsley - 17th November 2004 at 05:23
Wan: Mate if I had time to google, then I would have found them, sadly I am far too busy these days with work and study. I now have three part time jobs and full time study.
By: Wanshan - 9th November 2004 at 18:05
Ja Worsley, here’s some links you could have found if ýou had bothered to google a bit
http://home.att.net/~wellsbrothers/Battleships/SovietBBtable.html
http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/battleships/russ_dr.htm
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/russia/russia-pre.html
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/russia/russia-dread.html
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/russia/russia-battle.html
As for the Italian fleet, this was to sail to Malta for surrender to the Allies under the 8 Sept 1943 surrender agreement. Ships that could not sail were scuttled and fell into German hands; the rest put to sea on the evening of the 8th, one being sunk en route to Malta. The fleet was returned to the new
Italian government, although 3 ships were assigned to the Allies as
reparations postwar. The US and the UK each received a Littorio class battleship (repectively Littorio and Vittorio Veneto) while the USSR got a single Cavour class battleship (Giulio Cesare)
Giulio Cesare was built by Ansaldo, Genoa. Laid down 24 June 1910, launched
15 Oct 1911, completed 14 May 1914. Reconstructed 10/1933 to 10/1937 at Genoa. To Allied control 9/1943. Renamed Z11 after WWII. To Russia as Novorossiysk 15 Dec 1948. A plan to rearm the ex-Italian Novorossiisk with Russian 12-inch guns was abandoned after the ship discovered, evidently via her anchor chain, that plans for minesweeping of Black Sea harbors had not been carried out. She sunk from the explosion on 29 Oct 1955 while at anchor at Sevastopol. This indeed costed Kuznetzov his job …
By: Distiller - 9th November 2004 at 17:06
You mean until its unexplained distruction at archour?
Yes, that explosion at Sevastopol on 29Oct1955 which costed Kuznetsov his job.
By: Hydropod - 6th November 2004 at 12:23
You mean until its unexplained distruction at archour?
By: Distiller - 6th November 2004 at 11:02
There were a couple of additional BBs built, although not completed.
# – Sovetskij Sojuz: Built in Leningrad and ready to launch in early 1940. Armor plates and other parts used in the defense of Leningad.
# – Sovetskaja Ukraina: Built in Nikolajew, 75% finished in summer of 1941. Built apart and partly used by the Germans to build the two transporters “Totila” and “Teja”.
# – Tretji Internacional: A battlecruiser, building started but didn’t get too far.
And besides the “Royal Sovereign” aka Archangelsk, there was the “Novorossijsk” aka Italian “Gulio Cesare”, shich was handed over to the Soviets in February 1949 and remained in service with the Black Sea Fleet until October of 1955.
By: Severodvinsk - 6th November 2004 at 10:53
They also received one of the former Italian BBs, when Italy surrendered. I think it was Andrea Doria… Could be wrong…
By: Showtime 100 - 6th November 2004 at 10:14
Russian Battleships of WWII:
They are all of WWI vintage Gangut class BBs.
Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya (Gangut as built)
Marat (Petropavlovsk as built)- this is the one Rudel badly damaged.
Parizhskaya Komuna (Sevastopol as built)
There is also the last one of the class, Frunze (Poltava as built), but it was comprehensively damaged in 1926 and was not repaired.
HMS Royal Sovereign was also lent to the soviets in 1944 and renamed as Archangels.
So basically Russian navy has no battleship in WWII.Even has,I think will be sunk by Nazi.
By: Hydropod - 6th November 2004 at 07:29
Russian Battleships of WWII:
They are all of WWI vintage Gangut class BBs.
Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya (Gangut as built)
Marat (Petropavlovsk as built)- this is the one Rudel badly damaged.
Parizhskaya Komuna (Sevastopol as built)
There is also the last one of the class, Frunze (Poltava as built), but it was comprehensively damaged in 1926 and was not repaired.
HMS Royal Sovereign was also lent to the soviets in 1944 and renamed as Archangels.
By: J33Nelson - 6th November 2004 at 06:45
This could be wrong but I remember reading / hearing that Russia purchased some French battleships after Japan took out the Russian navy. These French ships were the most powerful ships in the Russian navy and were still serving during WWII. This could be wrong however.
By: Entropy - 6th November 2004 at 04:19
Well I know they had at least one becuase Hans Rudel sunk one in a Stuka…that about the extent of my knowledge about Russian BB’s.
By: Ja Worsley - 6th November 2004 at 03:04
Thnks mate, I know about the Russian WWII subs, but not much about their BB’s
By: google - 6th November 2004 at 01:59
Bump, for a good topic! I’d like to know more too.