Russian Submarine pics

Bellona says that Russia ever produced 248 nuke subs, 196 of which have been decommissioned. So, 52 left in commission, my guess:

4 Typhoons, incl. TK 13 in reserve. TK 17, 20 and 208 are operable
6 Delta IV, K 64 scrapped in 2001-2, K 117 and 18 in repair.
7-8 Delta III, incl. K 490 Voskresensk in reserve. K44 Ryazan in repair.
10 Oscar IIs, only 5 operable, K132, 119, 442, 266 and 526.
13 Akulas, K 284 Puma retired in 1995. K263, 322, 480, and 391 in reserve
3 Sierras, K 239 Karp retired in 1998, only K 276 active, rest in repair
5 Victor IIIs, incl. B 292 Perm in repair
3-4 other research: Yankees, Beluga

Celle-la est courtesie de la JMSDF, Oct. 2005.
Posted by Neptune.

Thats a Project 671 RTM 671.7 (671 RTMK) ,Victor 3 class SSN.

Is That a Type 65 Torpedo being loaded or a TEST 68 one.

Whatever is said, this is NOT a pr971 of any sort!

(posted by Canpark).
Makes you doubt of the veracity of the information found on some sites, uh?

How many Russian subs are actualy in commision and operable?

The operational nature of the submarine for any country will remain a tightly guarded secret , Certainly you can always quote Janes , NAFO or something else to prove your point that this is operational or not , But the reality would be something else.

The Russian would certainly have a better operational submarine now that they would probably had it in 1994 , How many your Guess could be as good as mine or Janes.

Only God knows…
Even Mr. Putin himself probably doesn’t have a clue (certainly on the operable part).

How many Russian subs are actualy in commision and operable?

The one you show is a Priz type DSRV, they really don’t go that deep.
Mir is probably 1837K.

Emm so they come in all shapes and sizes

MIR Class

Does any body has the image of the newer Loshark ( spell ) sub launched by russia , said to be the deepest diviing sub and almost invisible to sonar. It seems it resembles some cartoon character.

That’s not a suggestion Austin that is a real fact (you only seem to agree with facts when it fits with the Russian-is-best supposition)
It’s a general fact in physics that a round/sperical shape has the best division of forces compared to other shapes. That is also why Batiscaphs, the very deep diving vessels are of a round/cilindrical shape.

The Mystic is a good example of that.
And why do you othewise think the Russian subs have a cilindrical pressure hull (s)? Because the other shape is better?

well u forgot to look to the Mir class of deep submersible when u talked abt “DEEP” …. bias?

and neither does the DSRV go as deep as the Mir sp ops submerisbles …. but thats not to say that cylindrical shape is not the better one …

It’s a general fact in physics that a round/sperical shape has the best division of forces compared to other shapes.

Who can deny Physics , Its a Universal Phenomena , I was pointing to the Astute SSN by UK which isnt actually the Albacore design , so is the modern Gepard , although Sev will give a good idea if they go ahead with albacore like the US SSN or will be something else.

The fact that even UK has chosen a different design says that there is lot to a sub then its albacore hull.

Any way as far as Sev and Borei goes , I am sure Russia would have had sufficient time to study the SeaWolf and The Virginia Design in detail before freezing the Sev Design.

An added advantage of a cylindrical hull is ease of manufacture, compared to a shape with continious curvature lengthwise. Most large subs have a flattened, non-load bearing fairing on top of their pressure hulls which is a concession to the needs of the crew members walking about on it when in port/surfaced.

IIRC the US DSRVs actually consist(ed) of several interconnected spheres of high-quality steel (Titanium? Can’t remember right now) enclosed in a fiber-glass outer hull, which is indeed cylindrical.

If you search Russian sites you can find pics of the Severodvinsk still in construction,but isn’t the Severodvinsk simply a very advanced version of the Antey II 949 Project ???And the Borei is the contraction of anTEI and another sub (forgot which one,the Delta class but I forgot which one)So it will look like the Antey in the front half and like the Delta in the rear.The pic is pretty accurate indeed.

That’s not a suggestion Austin that is a real fact (you only seem to agree with facts when it fits with the Russian-is-best supposition)
It’s a general fact in physics that a round/sperical shape has the best division of forces compared to other shapes. That is also why Batiscaphs, the very deep diving vessels are of a round/cilindrical shape.

The Mystic is a good example of that.
And why do you othewise think the Russian subs have a cilindrical pressure hull (s)? Because the other shape is better?

Emm Well I dont think the Borei and the Sev will be as they have shown in the model
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=106674 –> Borei

Well I am not too convinved that she will have the Turtle Back/ Hump Back , No Not atleast after designing a great sub like Typhoon, I am very sure when the real thing shows up , It will be a present suprise.

I agree with Neputne on the cylindrical or the Albacore hull type , gives great underwater speed though I am not entirely convinced by the suggestion that it helps you dive deeper , The Akula-2 is the deepest diving sub ( I am not including the Sierra and Alfa ) in the Russian inventory in production Janes puts it as 600 meteres , well its not a albacore design , and the only western sub which has surpessed it is the Seawolf Seawolf because of the use of the so called HY-120 steel.

Also you will find that the future british SSN is not a Cylindrical/Albacore hull .

where as the french Barracuda class SSN shown below are Albacore types

We need to wait and see the russiann approach the severdovinsk ssn.

Added Later : Well after looking at it closely , It looks to me like a Enlarged Scorpene with a Pump Jet , Emm an indication how can India improvise upon the Scorpene design 😉

Haha, that’s the “at anchor/moored” flag. It isn’t necessarily the national flag, but often it’s done so, although not officially a national flag as the dimentions aren’t “official”.

As for “hydrodynamically advanced”, that’s a wrong impression. The highest speed shape underwater is a “cigar”,every transverse cross section has to be a circle, then you have the fasted shape below the waves. That is also the idea behind a torpedo.

As for the “teardrop”, it gives better stability and has advantages over a “cone shape” because the broader part in front creates a certain turbulation that makes the rest of the body have less drag/turbulences. So it’s better than a cone/missile shape, but it’s slightly worse than a “cigar” (revolution body).

Hang on….

post number 4, 2nd photo…. Look at the flags flown on the two subs…

Its the Confederate States navy!!!!!!!!! (The red flag with the blue cross)

Why do Russian subs look so more hydrodynamically advanced than US/UK boats? With those teardrop hulls and streamlined conning towers they look potentially much faster, though I imagine if it were that easy everyone would design them that way. Any thoughts?

From fas.org….

Both pictures of Tigr, both courtesy of Ilya Kurganov.

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