Ryanair bans three passengers for stealing life-jackets

I read somewere that Alaskan Airways “lose” 1/3 of there life jackes every year. They put it down to the fact that so many Alaskans have boats!

The landing gear and engines have fuse pins that are designed to fail under impact loads. This is to prevent the wings being ripped open, releasing the fuel. Also if you have a bad landing it limits the damage to the airframe so you can repair it.

Personaly life jackets are a waste of money. If you survive the initial crash, if the aircraft holds together, if the aircraft floats long enough, if the doors are not jammed closed by the impact, if you can get past the old folks clutching their duty free, IF THE LIFE JACKET ACTUALY INFLATES!!!! you are going to freeze to death in a matter of minutes because there is no such thing as warm water at sea. The airlines would be better spending their mony on preventing the crash in the first place.

Any way nobody ever pays attention to the safety briefing the cabin crew give, so they would not know were to find the things in the first place

Rgds Cking

Once upon a time, there was a DC-8 which ditched in San Francisco Bay for reasons other than fuel starvation. It ditched with gear out, too – which is supposedly the wrong way to ditch.

No one was hurt, and the aircraft flew again – though it did not fly out of the bay. The plane sank to touch bottom in shallow water so that the water was about level with the passenger floor and door thresholds.

The reason? The plane got lost in the San Francisco fog and thought they were landing on the runway. Except oops! they were not, and the plane naturally sank into the surface.

I do wonder how the landing gear and engines reacted to being pressed into water moving at landing speed…

Neighbours crash i thought was very well filmed to be like what I imagine a real crash would be. Mind you the DC3 did still afloat alot longer (at least 1 hour) than you would expect!! Too bad about David, Liliana and Serene dying! Thank god Sky didnt Bmi star and me are thankful for that 😀

Back to Topic before we enter GD teritory!

I dont follow Neighbours, but reading your description of the plot, i guess the actors who play David, Liliana and Serene didnt agree with the terms of the new contracts offered to them by the TV company, whereas “Sky” did 🙂

Maybe they will yet sign new contracts and it will turn out to be just a bad dream in the shower, like Bobby in Dallas !!

he he… thought I’d try that out. :diablo:

😀 😀

How do you access them if they are in the Overhead??? Does the cpt have to release the panel from the cockpit to let people get life jackets??

I’m guessing in a compartment in the PSU (overhead panel) the same as on DBA 737’s.

1L.

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On the Ryanair 737-800 that brought me back to Gothenburg today, the life jackets were pointed out by the cabin crew as being in the overhead panels.

1L.

Yep, watch your head. They’re up with the oxygen masks to stop them going on the hop and so the cabin checks are reduced. I like the jokes, can just see the cabin crew trying to flog lifejackets, how about a deluxe version with parachute. 😀

Redsquare – Ryanair F/O

Neighbours crash i thought was very well filmed to be like what I imagine a real crash would be. Mind you the DC3 did still afloat alot longer (at least 1 hour) than you would expect!! Too bad about David, Liliana and Serene dying! Thank god Sky didnt Bmi star and me are thankful for that 😀

Back to Topic before we enter GD teritory!

lmao. 😀

What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?

I always thought the chances were very low, however, with technology and development of safer aircraft these days, has the possibility of survival increased?

Because there have been very few airliners having to intentionally ditch onto water, no-one really knows. I have seen figures quoting a survival rate of upto 60%.

Suffice to say, there have been a number of successful ditchings, the DC9 and 767 incidents mentioned previously and not forgetting the succesful ditching of a 737 into a river, due to both engines flaming out, in Asia only a couple of years ago. In the 737 incident everyone survived the inital ditching, but unfortunately one cabin attendant drowned in the river during the evacuation.

This site – http://www.geocities.com/khlim777_my/asditchingissues.htm#Can has some interesting information.

Stupid boy!

Please refrain from personal attacks!

he he… thought I’d try that out. :diablo:

I would guess that was totally dependent on the cause of the descent.

For any reason other than a fuel related one – nil. Any other problem that can make it impossible for the aircraft to maintain altitude will by definition make a successful ditching impossible too.

In the case of a fuel related one, almost certainly very slim.

Moggy

I beleive the DC-8 that ditched and rermained afloat with no casualties ditched to to fuel starvation. That might shoot your theory out of the water, pun definately intended. 😀

I’m, googling for info now.

EDIT: DC-9 Ditching

A DC-8 ditching:

05/02/1970 15:50

LOCATION: Near St. Croix, US Virgin Islands

CARRIER: Antillian Airlines FLIGHT: 980

AIRCRAFT: Douglas DC-9-33CF

REGISTRY: N935F S/N: 47407

ABOARD: 63 FATAL: 23 GROUND:

DETAILS: The flight was scheduled to fly from New York to St.

Maarten. Because poor visibility, the aircraft could not land at St.

Maarten and was diverted to San Juan, Puerto Rico. Five minutes

later the crew was told the weather had improved at St. Maarten and

were directed back. After 3 missed landing attempts at St. Maarten,

the crew asked to be diverted to St. Thomas. By this time the plane

was low on fuel. While flying to St. Thomas, the aircraft ran out of

fuel and ditched into the ocean. Improper management of fuel by the

crew. Inadequate warning given to passengers before the ditching.

Unless it’s a Boeing 314……. :diablo:

Stupid boy!

Unless it’s a Boeing 314……. :diablo:

What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?

I would guess that was totally dependent on the cause of the descent.

For any reason other than a fuel related one – nil. Any other problem that can make it impossible for the aircraft to maintain altitude will by definition make a successful ditching impossible too.

In the case of a fuel related one, almost certainly very slim.

Moggy

So the pilot lines his Airbus glider up for a perfect flare onto water and then the fly-by-wire goes all wobbly because some eeejit has switched his mobile phone on…. 🙂

lmao. 😀

What is the probability of surviving a landing/ditching of a commerical airliner on water?

I always thought the chances were very low, however, with technology and development of safer aircraft these days, has the possibility of survival increased?

I assure you that it I was on a commercial jet that was planning a ditching I’d consider ending up outside the aircraft alive to be such a remote possibility that I would probably be better employed texting my goodbyes, than farting around with a lifejacket I was never going to live to benefit from.
Moggy

So the pilot lines his Airbus glider up for a perfect flare onto water and then the fly-by-wire goes all wobbly because some eeejit has switched his mobile phone on…. 🙂

It would be like that Etheopia crash all over again…..

What is wrong with Neighbours?

It is a perfectly good soap…quite watchable, and even more so with the plane crashing… :p

You do realise, I’m gonna have to poke you in the eyes now, don’t you?

You poor thing, getting forced into watching that guff!

You were forced, right?

What is wrong with Neighbours?

It is a perfectly good soap…quite watchable, and even more so with the plane crashing… :p

er….yes…..i was, only wanted to see it for the DC-3 :rolleyes: was actually a hot topic at uni today!

on the subject of….the life jackets didnt look to be doing them much good in Neighbours tonight :p

You poor thing, getting forced into watching that guff!

You were forced, right?

On the Ryanair 737-800 that brought me back to Gothenburg today, the life jackets were pointed out by the cabin crew as being in the overhead panels.