Ryanair – no more waived card fees for Visa Electron

Is there a law, policy or rule that states this though, Josh?

Policy yes, if the booking fee is non-avoidable then Ryanair must advertise all fares to include the £5 fee, come on Jono…Get your head in the game :dev2:

I came across this cheerful little Ryanair ditty on You Tube today…:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLWycAPZaQ

That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen on YouTube for a long time, excellent!:)

I came across this cheerful little Ryanair ditty on You Tube today…:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLWycAPZaQ

Brilliant!

I came across this cheerful little Ryanair ditty on You Tube today…:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLWycAPZaQ

Love it! 😀

Paul

I came across this cheerful little Ryanair ditty on You Tube today…:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLWycAPZaQ

So are you suggesting that you would choose to fly Ryanair over any other airline simply because they fly the most convenient route? And would you continue to fly with them on the same route irrespective of the price and no matter how many new charges are/were introduced, and also how much these charges are increased by…?

If I was wanting to go to Hannover and Ryanair got me from, say, Edinburgh to Hannover for £75 total and BA (or any other airline) could only get me from Edinburgh to Bremen for £90, then why wouldn’t I go Ryanair?! My point is, in Ryanair’s defence, I think there are situations where even after all the fees and low quality service are taken consideration, they do sometimes come out on top. Of course it is a personal choice whether that option is taken or not. It is clear that some here would not and that is fine. I just don’t think they should be blacklisted based on personal feelings and opinions (accusations not intended).

And no cloud_9, if in my example the total for EDI-HAJ came to £150 and the hour or so train from Breman to Hannover was only £10, I would almost definitely go BA in that instance (I am a tight Scot, after all).

Because they can be the cheapest operator (even after all fees) that takes a passenger the most convenient route from their origin to their destination.

So are you suggesting that you would choose to fly Ryanair over any other airline simply because they fly the most convenient route? And would you continue to fly with them on the same route irrespective of the price and no matter how many new charges are/were introduced, and also how much these charges are increased by…?

I almost find it annoying that people have completely blacklisted them because of their fee structure.

I think that this is because the airline is seen to be doing things in an underhand way…the £5 credit/debit card (sorry “administration” fee!:rolleyes:), for example, this costs Ryanair less than £1 to physically process, so they are charging passengers so much because they know they have to claw back the money they loose from selling so many of their seats so cheaply (at “below cost” prices!)…?

There must be at least one free method of paying on all fares….

Is there a law, policy or rule that states this though, Josh?

And there lays the problem. Sorry but you shouldn’t be able to do all those flights for that price – it is way below real cost…This is part of what’s damaging the industry…

I agree Andy.

So perhaps APD should be changed to reflect this…in the sense that people should be made to pay more for the shorter flights that they take more regularly in order to cover the “true” cost of flying that particular route?

Andy
As you’ve directly picked up my post,I suppose a response is called for.I’ve tried before (and IMHO been ridiculed on every occasion – not you I hasten to add) to say,of course,I agree with you as that is exactly how I feel about what happened to my very senior job in Insurance which I lost when the great unwashed started going to Direct Line etc,penny pinching all the way to the bank.Result – call centres where treatment of staff is not far removed from what you’re describing,people buying products that are inappropriate,far more challenging of claims etc etc.
The difference is I’m not vilifying the budget Insurers but,rather,blaming the “legacy” insurers for not seeing the writing on the wall and cutting costs much earlier,and the public for being penny pinching.
I suppose end result is I see FR as the chance to “if you can’t beat ’em,join ’em” as the saying goes,especially as it suits my hobby in enforced retirement!!I know the “real” costs,social ones included,but I don’t see much evidence of anyone worrying about them with any other product that is “doing down” British workers.

Barry

I must say I have done 3 return FR flights in recent weeks.
STN – FDH (Friedrichshafen)
BRS – ACE (Lanzarote)
BRS – BGY (Bergamo)

TOTAL cost £29.98 …….and I mean TOTAL
Barry

And there lays the problem. Sorry but you shouldn’t be able to do all those flights for that price – it is way below real cost. I don’t condone airlines fleecing customers with excessively high fares or have staff on an easy money gravy train, but one of the ways Ryanair achieve these redculously cheap fares is to have staff working for next to nothing on crap terms and conditions. This is part of what’s damaging the industry and making it a nit nice place to work anymore. And IMHO, in many cases, the behind the scenes “cost” of punters getting these stupid fares is too high – human and for that matter climate

And others choose not to.

They had their chance with me and lost it before I even flew, when they changed my flight details without telling me, then wanted me to pay twice as much as the original price to put it back to how I had booked it.

Still trying to keep out of the general debate but have to say that’s exactly what Flybe did to me and 3 fellow enthusiasts this very year on our Milan trip to the point of committing us to another night’s hotel.It happens.

And others choose not to.

They had their chance with me and lost it before I even flew, when they changed my flight details without telling me, then wanted me to pay twice as much as the original price to put it back to how I had booked it.

You give them far too much credit. For they were not alone in getting the Lo Co ball rolling.

I don’t give them any credit, i think they are a shoddy airline, but i still choose to fly them.

The main reason for me using ‘proper airlines’ is that they are professional towards customers and when a delay occurs, information is given out to passengers, okay some can be lacking detail, but at least they take time to tell passengers, and not see them as the problem

What makes you think every low cost airline is unprofessional? In the 37 airlines I’ve flown with (a mix of mainline and low cost carriers) I can’t say I’ve noticed a huge lack of professionalism by anyone (except, funnily enough, Ryanair at times). I actually think easyJet are leagues above some of the national carriers I’ve flown with, and I know a good few people who agree.

Paul

Shirley though, many people would not be flying now if there were no low cost carriers. Today you have a choice. And that availability of choice means many nore people are employed in the aviation transport industry.

I still look forward to a time when you can just turn up at an airport and board a plane much like you do at a railway station. It’s only history that has made air travel a ‘select’ option.

Personally, also, I like Ryanair’s break down of fees etc as it highlights the rip offs by government departments.
Now who is going to break down where the price of a litre of fuel goes?

What people do not appreciate is that, like it or not, Ryanair have shaped the aviation industry to what it is today.
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The industry would not be viable for an airline like Flybe had Ryanair not started before hand to get the population moving low co.

You give them far too much credit. For they were not alone in getting the Lo Co ball rolling.

It all started with Southwest Airlines in America in the 70s. Ryainair took their business model and adapted it for the UK and Ireland.
Although not the first, Southwest were the ones that made it work. So, Southwest are closer to being the industry shapers than Ryanair are.

What people do not appreciate is that, like it or not, Ryanair have shaped the aviation industry to what it is today. Many people should be grateful for the work that Ryanair put in, however they completely disregard them as an option because of their hatred towards MOL.

Nope, Deano (above) is right – the industry wouldn’t be as much in the mess its in today if Ryanair didn’t exist, and thousands and thousands of people who work in the industry both in the air and on the ground would be better off in terms, conditions and pay had Ryanair not existed. All Ryanair have done is driven the dive to the bottem and accommodated the masses desire for cheaper and cheaper air travel regardless of the cost or implications. MOL isn’t the problem – he’s just the odious head of a nasty organisation.

Andy

Deano, i think its inconsiderate of you to write them off, without the airline it is very unlikely that you would be in the job you are today. The industry would not be viable for an airline like Flybe had Ryanair not started before hand to get the population moving low co.

You’re right, I’d be in a better one with better terms & conditions.

So how does that work when you need to fly a route not operated by a ‘proper’ airline?
Paul

Thankfully, the destinations I fly to are usually near major population centres, which means ‘proper’ airlines fly to them.

I am not a fan of low cost airlines, as most of them dont assign seats, and I just cant face the mad scramble for seats, all the small print, and baggage restrictions, a ‘proper airline’ I use allows me to take a carry on bag and another item, which is usually my laptop, and I know of 1 low cost airline would force me to cram the laptop into my bag. The main reason for me using ‘proper airlines’ is that they are professional towards customers and when a delay occurs, information is given out to passengers, okay some can be lacking detail, but at least they take time to tell passengers, and not see them as the problem

As so many are putting their views for and against I’m keeping out of this on this occasion but I must say I have done 3 return FR flights in recent weeks.
STN – FDH (Friedrichshafen)
BRS – ACE (Lanzarote)
BRS – BGY (Bergamo)

TOTAL cost £29.98 …….and I mean TOTAL….no fees,no taxes and used an Electron Card (prepaid MasterCard in post to me as I write!!).

Just name me a “proper” airline,or a budget one for that matter,with which I can do all three for under £30 and I’ll see you at the gate.

Barry

Do other airlines charge booking fees for the use of credit or debit cards?

Yes, most do, example…Aer Lingus is £5 per transaction for all cards, except Electron which is free, however this will stop, like Ryanairs.

What people do not appreciate is that, like it or not, Ryanair have shaped the aviation industry to what it is today. Many people should be grateful for the work that Ryanair put in, however they completely disregard them as an option because of their hatred towards MOL. Ryanair offer just as much legroom as other airlines, they charge considerably less when booked in advance, and on lots of occasions on short notice.

Deano, i think its inconsiderate of you to write them off, without the airline it is very unlikely that you would be in the job you are today. The industry would not be viable for an airline like Flybe had Ryanair not started before hand to get the population moving low co.