RyanAir Standing and 1 toilet with charges

Putting aside the technicalities of C of G where can we direct this mad marketing ploy driven horse manure filled MOL brain?

Ah! so we have standee passengers. Well why not offer them foot massagers (15 ball foot roller variety) to use while standing stapped in. Of course you charge them Euros for it by the hour. Advantage to passenger, relaxing and therapeutic.

Advantage to MOL’s RyanAir, secret connection to circuitry that converts movement of foot massager (15 ball foot roller) into electricity that powers the single chargeable toilet.

Collectively many standee seats will shift the centre of gravity even if it is by a foot as you possibly identify. A foot vertically upwards but since it involves a lot more ‘human’ weight it will also shift the C of G horizontally (and in MOL’s suggestion it would be towards the tail).

I’m not convinced. If more people were at the rear of the aircraft then of course it would affect the CoG (hence why baggage is so carefully balanced between front and rear holds), but simply standing up won’t change the distribution of weight in the aircraft one little bit. It wouldn’t be “more human weight” either, as the 738 can still only carry 189 people. 😉

I thought it was mildly amusing and didn’t for a minute take it seriously. I think he seems to have got the reaction and publicity he sought by making the remark. Best reaction to anything he says is to ignore it, I would have thought.

Big respects to Ryanair and MOL for yet again making sure they are the airline being talked about……..
….There for loads of free publicity for ryanair, Clever marketing I say.
Also anyone notice these so called annoucements came just as Ryanair say they will charge more for baggage etc, Its a clever diversion to creat another story whilst your changing conditions of travel as it takes peoples mind off of the facts.
Ryanair run by MOL is a very slick outfit who know how to play the game, Love them or hate them you have to admire them in a way.

They do know how to play a game not exactly the game but publicity they crave and they seem to have got it.

See passenger/customer survey results –
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/airline-business/2009/07/ryanair-passengers-make-a-stan.html

And fans ‘down under’
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/ryanair-plan-for-standingroom-vertical-seats-20100702-zru8.html

Ofcourse all this RyanAir stuff comes taking possibly after Spring Airlines (Chinese) –

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Standing-Only-Plane-Seats-Chinese-Spring-Airline-To-Ask-Regulator-For-Standing-Only-Passengers/Article/200906415323147?f=rss

“But Spring Airlines president Wang Zhenghua said that he was confident because the idea had been suggested by China’s vice premier Zhang Dejiang.

“He suggested that, for a lower price, passengers should be able to get on a plane like catching a bus, with no seat, no luggage consignment, no food, no water, but very convenient,” said Mr Zhenghua.

He added that the company had consulted with Airbus, the company which built most of its aeroplanes, and had been told the proposals were safe.

“So once the government approves it formally, we’ll try it,” he added.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31671154/ns/travel-news/

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/standing-room-only-chinese-airline-plans-seatless-flights/

So the moral that MOL/RyanAir bring to the recession filled world is follow the developing countries and “tighten you standee seat belt”.

Going backwards in my textbook though.

How will them being a foot higher in the cabin change the centre of gravity so dramatically? :confused:

Take a look at this URL seemingly MOL’s publicity stunt is attracting fans from ‘down under’ – Tiger Airways.
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/ryanair-plan-for-standingroom-vertical-seats-20100702-zru8.html
Watch video which follows a commercial and some blank dead video footage.
Then scroll down the web page article and see diagrams.

Collectively many standee seats will shift the centre of gravity even if it is by a foot as you possibly identify. A foot vertically upwards but since it involves a lot more ‘human’ weight it will also shift the C of G horizontally (and in MOL’s suggestion it would be towards the tail).

With my tongue in my cheek while reviewing the diagrams, there is a ‘breast plate’ like drop down device to obviously stop the upper body severing itself from the lower part when the aircraft goes through some unforseen emergency including very bad weather.
Even more amusing though are the little drop down tables, What in world for ? Oh! silly me, to place 5/6 Euros a measure moonshine whisky and ofcourse have a game of poker with your mates.
Still tongue in cheek I thought these standee seats were for very short journies of an hour. Time obviously for whisky and poker in flight though.

… how many you can get out in under 90 seconds as well as the seat surviveability.

This is where the ejection seat issue comes into the equation. Vertical punters can eject through smaller openings. :diablo:

Big respects to Ryanair and MOL for yet again making sure they are the airline being talked about.
MOL knows that standing on airlines is extremely unlikely to ever be allowed but he also knows the press will lap up the story as will internet forums.
There for loads of free publicity for ryanair, Clever marketing I say.

Also anyone notice these so called annoucements came just as Ryanair say they will charge more for baggage etc, Its a clever diversion to creat another story whilst your changing conditions of travel as it takes peoples mind off of the facts.

Ryanair run by MOL is a very slick outfit who know how to play the game, Love them or hate them you have to admire them in a way.

As everyone says, aload of bull. What would be the point of people standing if it wasn’t to get more punters on board. The numbers are often controlled by how many you can get out in under 90 seconds as well as the seat surviveability.

MOL go get some brains please.

MOL has a great set of brains!

Every one with an interest in aviation knows that what MOL is bull. Standees are not allowed by regulatory bodies like the FAA/CAA/EASA/etc. Everyone with an interest in aviation knows that the 737-800 as operated by Ryanair are already at maximum capacity, adding in more seats is not allowed, again courtesy of FAA/CAA/EASA as well as Boeing.

So why does he spout this bull? For publicity of course. And once again he succeeded. He got his story in newspapers, thereby once more selling his line that he wants to do everything possible to make flying cheaper for their customers.

This ain’t worth the discussion, truth be told. I would expect this discussion on a blog or the site of a newspaper. A place where people come without an interest in aviation who will just buy MOL’s story. But on this forum I would expect everyone to know better.

To make matters even worse, this ain’t even the first time MOL raised the idea of a standing area. The idea of introducing a “pay-per-pee”* on the toilets is also old. This too was discussed by MOL earlier.

* I hold full copyright claims to the term “pay-per-pee” (C). :p

How will them being a foot higher in the cabin change the centre of gravity so dramatically? :confused:

Letting MOL loose with A380s. Perish the thought.

Sado masichism of an extreme kind I’d say.

Strapped in standees, retention of urine and other body excrements due to there being only 1 toilet and as Distiller says in this thread – meat hooks and kneeling.
Throw in some lead lined boots so that the standees can wear them to prevent head injuries caused by hitting their heads off the fuselage roof when there is turbulence.

From take off to landing these standees are going to cause a change of operation due to the overall centre of gravity being higher than if everone was sitting.

MOL go get some brains please.

Yes I very reluctantly flew with them recently,but only because it was more convenient to fly from Gatwick!But I certainly did not pay any more to them than absolutely necessary!

I can understand that.;)

Now just think of letting MoL loose with an A380……………..:eek::eek::eek:

I’m still extremely skeptical about whether this will actually happen. As already mentioned here and elsewhere the 738 carries 189 people. That isn’t just because 189 seats fit in it, it’s because that’s what safety regulations dictate an aircraft of that size with that number of exits can carry. O’Leary can’t simply cram more people in there by making them stand. I’ll believe it when I see it!

Paul

P.S. ATR:- Your mooing comment gave me a giggle! 🙂

I will and have used them, but I need not complain as I know when booking what I’m letting myself in for. I normally pay £2 return from Prestwick to Derry, that was when you could use your electron card, compared to the ferry price from Troon to Larne at £190 return it’s a no brainer. I just make Mooing sounds when waiting in the queue to board.

Well, strap-in racks would have to face backwards, for safety reasons. And taking into account that the average single-isle airliner doesn’t have enough head room to stand up except in the isle, those strap-in racks would have to be designed for kneeling, not for standing. 😀

On short hops … hmmm. Kneeling for an hour … hmm. 5 GBP … hmmm.

Maybe that system can be used to solve the supersize-me passenger problem?? With meat hooks instead of safety belts perhaps? Pinned to the bulkhead?

I think MOL should revert to managing race horses as then he can worry about horse manure as that’s all this sort of ‘stunt’ is in the western world.

Or maybe take over managing or even owning some airlines in the developing world willing to risk safety standards.

If he keeps going the EU even if not the UK may ban his modified versions of airliners from landing at EU airports.

That will cook his ‘race horse’ if not his ‘goose’.

There will be enough existing /or can be implemented soon – EU legislation governing both the basic sanitary facilities required for over 150 people encased in one small metal tube (for possibly over 1 hour or more when delays occur) along with the dangers associated with strapping people in a standing position in a flying projectile.

Interesting how Richard Branson entrepreneur that he is has never taken this line of unrefined thinking!

Horse brains generate ideas such as those advocated by MOL.

I’ve said it before…..don’t use ’em.

Yes I very reluctantly flew with them recently,but only because it was more convenient to fly from Gatwick!But I certainly did not pay any more to them than absolutely necessary!

He has a very dry sense of humour and I found it quite ammusing, I wouldn’t be surprised if he suggested clinging onto the wings and fuselage like they do on the trains in India or maybe you can cling to the undercarriage like the Romanian chap, anything for a cheap flight.:p

Nothing surprising here. But I am surprised that he hasn’t, or maybe he has, considered turning the holds into further seating or ‘strapping points’ Would it be viable to turn the centre fuel tanks into the Ryanair equivalent of a flying stateroom?? I’ve said it before…..don’t use ’em.

Isn’t the longer 900 limited to the same pax as an 800 due the the number of exits??