Ryanair to announce 200-plane Boeing deal

Love him or loathe he’s always worth a read.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10092721/Michael-OLeary-Ryanairs-row-over-Aer-Lingus-Its-like-a-Monty-Python-script.html

Nothing new. Ryanair have been replacing some in service machines as well as growing all along.

Currently they have 305 Boeing 737-800 out of the 350 they have had delivered.

Nope, that’s quite incorrect. Ryanair like to sell on their 737s early. It has nothing to do with the aircraft burning through their cycles/hours. In point of fact, they do not have all that many cycles on them. Yes, they are uses well, but the average flight time is 90 to 120 minutes.
Some of their longest flights are not too far short of 5 hours.

FR’s fleet renewal is purely down to getting the most money back from their aircraft as possible while keeping the average fleet age very young and free of hangar queens.

There was a rumour going round that FR got such a good deal on their last
batch of 737s, that they were selling them after 3 or 4 years in the fleet for a profit!

well you live and learn, but my other point is right it is to partially replace in service examples.

That is supposedly the case.

I wonder if the few they didn’t take delivery of a year or so back and then sold on to leasing companies before leasing them back and put into service were sold at full list price.

If they were, it was a smart move on FR’s part..

It was only recently they cancelled 150 or so options

Well some of those new 737 will replace current in service examples, Ryanair has high cycle rates meaning the airframes burn through their hours.

Nope, that’s quite incorrect. Ryanair like to sell on their 737s early. It has nothing to do with the aircraft burning through their cycles/hours. In point of fact, they do not have all that many cycles on them. Yes, they are uses well, but the average flight time is 90 to 120 minutes.
Some of their longest flights are not too far short of 5 hours.

FR’s fleet renewal is purely down to getting the most money back from their aircraft as possible while keeping the average fleet age very young and free of hangar queens.

There was a rumour going round that FR got such a good deal on their last
batch of 737s, that they were selling them after 3 or 4 years in the fleet for a profit!

I wouldn’t have thought that the Ryanair aircraft are higher cycle than other European 737’s.

They are not engaged in frequent short sectors, like Hawaiian inter island for example. Route lengths pretty much the same as anyone else’s??

Replacements are purely down to a desire to keep the age of the fleet down for efficiency reasons.

Well some of those new 737 will replace current in service examples, Ryanair has high cycle rates meaning the airframes burn through their hours.

Crikey – 200 more Ryanair planes to ruin photography sessions 🙁

The only way they’d redeem themselves is to paint a special scheme on every three aircraft 🙂

Yep after all that posturing towards Boeing and Airbus with talk about going to a Chinese or Russian supplier they go and buy the 737.:rolleyes:

Fancy that.

Perhaps O’Leary likes the 737-800. It reminds me a little of all the US police forces buying up the last remaining stocks of Ford Crown Victoria patrol cars before new models came out.

Ryanair Order

For the record,

Current fleet 305 a/c
Announced 19 Mar 13 an order for 175 a/c
Of which 75 a/c are replacements to existing fleet, 100 a/c are additions to existing fleet
Proposed fleet at 2018 405 a/c

Then on top of that there is the possibility of a 100 B737MAX order late this year or early next.

With all these additions, wonder if they are looking into winter parking arramgements!!

Turkish Airlines are expanding their single-aisle fleet, and are adding routes all across Europe.

Possibly, but then they’d be fighting with Pegasus. Ryanair’s business model requires competing with established flag carriers, not other LCCs.

Well, new routes bringing a hundred million billion Romanians and Bulgarians to Britain, of course. :rolleyes:

Expansion east, Turkey?

The Russians and Chinese didn’t stand a chance, reports are saying Ryanair may be paying as little as 40-50% of the 737s list price. Discounts that high are on par with the list price of the Eastern new comers (who are unlikely to negotiate on price), so Boeing had this one in the bag.

It just goes to show that if Boeing are willing to sell them half price, just how large the mark-up is on the list prices.

It’s interesting Ryanair plan to grow capacity 30% over the next 5 years, where do they imagine this growth will come from? Most of us have come to the realisation Ryanair is often more expensive than the alternatives. I think Ryanair’s growth over the past couple of years has just been from the momentum built up over the last decade, once it subsides they’re screwed. The rate of growth now is nothing like what it was 5 years ago.

Yep after all that posturing towards Boeing and Airbus with talk about going to a Chinese or Russian supplier they go and buy the 737.:rolleyes:

Well, what a shock :rolleyes:

As Threespool points out, these will most likely be last off the line frames before the NG is superseded by the MAX; so I’d imagine a hefty discount for that – no one likes being the last one to buy a discontinued model (unless you’re Ryanair and you’re in it for the discount :D).

Rather like an “end of model year closeout” for a car.
Still with fuel prices again rising, perhaps it would be better to wait for the newer models…unless they don’t plan of keeping them long.

I’d love for some honest and brave soul to write a honest book or article on what factors play in airline orders…price (of course), commonality, reliability, maintenance, training, spares and resale.

The Irish Independent said the deal would be worth $18 Billion

Excuse me while I have a little chuckle! 😀 I highly doubt they’ll be paying $90 million a pop for those; and if they are, Michael’s letting the side down on this one…

That aside, how cheaply do you reckon FR are getting these 737s for? As Threespool points out, these will most likely be last off the line frames before the NG is superseded by the MAX; so I’d imagine a hefty discount for that – no one likes being the last one to buy a discontinued model (unless you’re Ryanair and you’re in it for the discount :D).