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Ryanair to Refuse Checked In Luggage

Just heard this on Radio 1 news, found this article about it on Bloomberg.com

Ryanair to Refuse Checked-in Luggage in Cost-Reduction Effort

July 8 (Bloomberg) — Ryanair Holdings Plc, Europe’s biggest low-cost airline, plans to stop checking in baggage in a move that would cut costs by as much as 5 pounds ($9.26) a passenger, Chief Executive Michael O’Leary said.

Ryanair may save as much as one-third on airport and handling charges of about 150 million euros ($185.4 million) a year by refusing to carry suitcases, O’Leary said at a press conference in London. Passengers will be encouraged to buy at their destinations any essentials that they can’t bring on board by hand, he said.

“It will probably take more than a year to do, because we are not set up for it in all airports,” O’Leary said. “But we will make steps toward it. With the savings you make on our fares, you can afford to buy your hairdryers and things when you get there.”

Ryanair last month posted a quarterly loss, its first since selling shares to the public in May 1997, after reducing fares to counter competition from EasyJet Plc, Europe’s second-biggest discount carrier, and full-service airlines. Dublin-based Ryanair has cut spending by scrapping reclining seats, renegotiating airport fees and adding new planes with lower operating costs.

“It’s a clever idea for cost savings, but what about people with lots of luggage traveling on Ryanair’s holiday routes to places like Murcia in Spain?” said Edmond Rose, an aviation consultant for GGCW Consulting.

Ryanair has already increased excess-baggage fees to encourage passengers to cut back on the amount of luggage they carry, O’Leary said.

The airline plans to leave the baggage hold empty rather than fill it with cargo, he said. Carrying freight would slow aircraft- turnaround times and incur extra costs, he said.

EasyJet next week will remove weight restrictions on hand baggage. Limits on the size of bags, determined by the U.K.’s Civil Aviation Authority, are still in place.

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As it says above, maybe OK for people going on short trips, but what about people going to Spain and Italy for a couple of weeks? Me thinks this maybe a step too far for Ryanair, don’t know about you.

Other news taken from Ireland Online –

Ryanair will launch a new sale tomorrow with one million seats available at 99c before taxes and charges.

The budget airline’s chief executive Michael O’Leary announced the sale in London today.

The booking period runs from Friday, July 9 until Thursday, July 15 and the travel period runs from September 7 until January 31, 2005 from Mondays to Thursdays.

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I might take advantage of this with a little trip to Dublin, i’m sure some of you will also be interested.

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By: Hand87_5 - 10th July 2004 at 11:57

Guys. I think its all for publicity. Look at how much we have all been speaking about Ryanair because of this. Its free advertising for them. Virgin did it when they wanted to buy a Concorde, they got a hell of free advertising.

Makes sense …

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By: MINIDOH - 10th July 2004 at 11:45

Guys. I think its all for publicity. Look at how much we have all been speaking about Ryanair because of this. Its free advertising for them. Virgin did it when they wanted to buy a Concorde, they got a hell of free advertising.

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By: MSR777 - 10th July 2004 at 11:09

Andrew, for Gods sake don’t give him any more ideas!!

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By: andrewm - 9th July 2004 at 22:34

Interflug,

Forget Cabin Service – replace toilets and galley with vending machines…

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By: MSR777 - 9th July 2004 at 21:10

I really can’t see this coming off. I have a close friend in BAA Security who says that the hold bag going with the pax to the a/c is already a non starter.
But there are other ways for RYR to save money.

1. Make the 1st officer also responsible for food and drink service

2. Delete the lavatories from the a/c and include a brief “sprinkle before you fly” message in the boarding call

3. At a price include an advertisement covered bed pan in the inflight sales brochures for those who really cant wait.

4. Replace the cabin carpets with Hertz Rent-a-Car emblazoned paper roll which can be changed ( again by the 1st Officer ) during the now 10min
turnround, which the poor old handling agent will fail to make thereby earning Ryanair another £2,000 penalty payment.

5. To avoid extended parking charges, make several low passes over the airport trailing a large net to pick up the non-hold baggage pax. Inbound pax at this time to de-plane by jumping from the catering doors. If any hold baggage pax present then a landing will have to be made and the charge passed on to the sucker (ooops, passenger) concerned.

6. Captain to be made responsible for the on board booking by pax of hotel rooms, car hire and the provision of Tax Free sales after the 1st Officer has returned to his seat following food and drink sales, although if demand is heavy enough then the autopilot sponsored by Kilkenny Beer may be used.

Oh what the hell, just support your full service carriers instead before we are all out of work!!! Hang on..whats that? Only use one engine unless its vital???……………

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By: Jeanske_SN - 9th July 2004 at 21:10

Oh look, I save £5 on a ticket. Now I can by 10 shirts, 10 underpants, toothbrush & paste, swimpants, 10 pants, deodorant, shaving foam etc. I don’t think so. I say the Irish man should stop saving it’s costs.
Last he announced that he wouldn’t charge a fuel fee for the current high fuel prices. Well, now he actually is.

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By: Bmused55 - 9th July 2004 at 17:14

Them man goes off on a two week roadshow with just an overnight bag because he is filthy rich from all the money he’s fleeced off of his punters and can so affored to buy his clothes as an when he needs them.

Where’s the IRA when you need them!

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By: Hand87_5 - 9th July 2004 at 17:13

You know , if MoL doesn’t have more respect for 50 % of his customers , he doesn’t deserve those customers.
I think he is just testing.
People will just move on EZ and FR is gonna go under. I’m sure that isn’t what he wants.

But maybe MoL goal is to earn a fortune and just dump his company in a couple of years.

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By: LBARULES - 9th July 2004 at 16:13

Another article on this subject..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3878641.stm

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By: LBARULES - 9th July 2004 at 16:07

Sorry to swear, but what a t**t Michael O’Leary is.

Earlier in the thread, some of you said his intention is not to get rid of cabin baggage altogether. Well this is what he says in that Guardian article…

“The purpose is not to make money from checked-in luggage – the purpose is to get rid of it altogether,” said Mr O’Leary

Im sure he wouldnt mind making a bit of money before he gets rid of it altogether.

This sentence really shows what a arrogant swine this guy is :

“Will it **** off people who are going on a two-week holiday to Ibiza? Yes, it probably will. But we don’t fly to those charter holiday destinations anyway.”

Hello? What about Gerona, Murcia etc etc. And not everyone who wants to take luggage is going to charter destinations. When I went to Dublin for a couple of days earlier in the year, I had to take a case for a change of clothes etc. You cant fit all them in hand baggage.

Ryanair said less than half of its 27 million passengers a year check in luggage. Most are going on short trips, with an average stay of less than two days.

This also gets me, less than half of 27 million. Thats still about 13 million people a year. But obviously he doesen’t care about them.

And my final rant…

Mr O’Leary said the need for luggage was simply a “state of mind” for many passengers. “I can go away for a two-week roadshow with simply an overnight bag.

Says it all about the man, he might be able to as he might like to live scruffy, but other people going places like to change of clothes, swimwear etc etc. And what about all the hairdryers, make up items (For women)?

I’ve had respect for MOL and his ideas in the past, but i’m sorry, with this I will do my very best to stop travelling with his airline ever again.

RANT OVER!

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By: Mike1087 - 9th July 2004 at 15:57

Thanks for the “Guardian” link, interesting article. Thanks also, as always, for the entertainment as an otherwise sensible thread degenerates into the usual MOL HateFest.

As an ordinary solo and ocasional traveller with Ryanair I find MOL’s stance quite interesting. All my flights have been for return trips of not more than a couple of days and, apart from photographic equipment, my carry-on bag contains a wash bag and just a few clothes plus a good book. I purchase my ticket on the internet and as far as Ryanair are concerned that seat is booked and that is it.

If the cabin baggage allowance was increased to 10kg that would cover all the European journeys that I make and I would never need to check anything in. Not sure if anyone picked up on it but it seems the intention is that I can print off my own boarding card at home and by-pass any check-in except at the gate itself after having gone through the usual security checks in the terminal. Personally I would welcome that, I *hate* having to add time to take queuing at check-in into account. I also *hate* late departures due to someone’s bags being removed from the aircraft because they manage to get lost between check-in and the gate!

I also *like* low fares 🙂

Have to agree with many posters here, there are a lot of what-ifs and issues to sort out before this can work and MOL does need to have done his homework regarding his customer base however there is logic in what he is proposing, to some travellers it could be a benefit.

Oh yes, this quote:

“which is exactly why the job of the airline pilots are far less respected by most people and is why flying is no longer a dream nor is it exciting”

Sorry, the logic is totally lost on me. I respect airline pilots for being able to fly a complex machine from A to B in a safe, punctual and comfortable manner. Whether a pilot flies for BA or Ryanair makes no odds to me as a passenger. Presumably you are saying that if I pay more for my ticket I will respect the pilot more and be more excited?

Of course, if you price it out of my range then flying will be a dream – exactly that!!!

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By: gpb_croppers63 - 9th July 2004 at 13:50

You wait… He’ll be fitting extra seats in those empty baggage holds real soon – no recline, no seat back pocket, no windows, and very limited headroom! Double deck 737s – A380 eat your heart out! 😉

LMAO

Seriously though, it wouldn’t surprise me if he did this. Also, if you wanted to sit on the upper deck with windows, you’d have to pay more!

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By: Hand87_5 - 9th July 2004 at 13:47

I guess I have a much better idea.
What are the major costs for an airline:
Crew and fuel.

Some passenger may volunteer for the cabine service. (Let’s save the pilot job to professionals for now) .
Those would receive a discount on their ticket.

Fuel : Each pax would be urge to bring a couple of gallon of kerosen and would have to dump it in the 738’s fuel tank prior board in.

How does it sound? 🙂

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By: Skymonster - 9th July 2004 at 13:31

You wait… He’ll be fitting extra seats in those empty baggage holds real soon – no recline, no seat back pocket, no windows, and very limited headroom! Double deck 737s – A380 eat your heart out! 😉

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By: gpb_croppers63 - 9th July 2004 at 13:24

I have no doubt that MO’L has no intentions of showing porn on his flights, but it’s a typical signoff line from him, designed to provoke discussion and response (outrage?) from the public, thereby keeping the name of Ryanair firmly in the front of everybody’s mind. Pretty much like we’ve been sucked in to doing just now ……..

I feel sucked in and spat out again 😀

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By: Hand87_5 - 9th July 2004 at 12:07

I have no doubt that MO’L has no intentions of showing porn on his flights, but it’s a typical signoff line from him, designed to provoke discussion and response (outrage?) from the public, thereby keeping the name of Ryanair firmly in the front of everybody’s mind. Pretty much like we’ve been sucked in to doing just now ……..

The man may have no scruples, little concern for his passengers and a complete disregard for ‘normal’ business practice, but you simply can’t deny he knows how to publicise his company in a way no one else can even come close to emulating. Whether you think that’s good or not is exactly why we’ve got forii like this where we can debate the matter ad nauseam.

Absolutely true .

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By: Dee747 - 9th July 2004 at 11:35

I have no doubt that MO’L has no intentions of showing porn on his flights, but it’s a typical signoff line from him, designed to provoke discussion and response (outrage?) from the public, thereby keeping the name of Ryanair firmly in the front of everybody’s mind. Pretty much like we’ve been sucked in to doing just now ……..

The man may have no scruples, little concern for his passengers and a complete disregard for ‘normal’ business practice, but you simply can’t deny he knows how to publicise his company in a way no one else can even come close to emulating. Whether you think that’s good or not is exactly why we’ve got forii like this where we can debate the matter ad nauseam.

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By: gpb_croppers63 - 9th July 2004 at 11:29

Very good point Hand. I think he will learn the hard way on this one.

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By: Hand87_5 - 9th July 2004 at 11:26

Let me take an example.
My daughter flew FR yesterday to STN.

FR came out with a ticket worth 69 € + taxes.
If FR would have charged 50 £ more /per bag , AF would have been way more competitive and I would have bought an AF ticket.
I guess MoL is playing a dangereous game here.

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By: gpb_croppers63 - 9th July 2004 at 11:14

Do I take it that you support a porn channel on FR then Bmused? 😉

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