Ryanair's at it again!!!

Irish budget airline Ryanair will propose large pay cuts for the chairman of rival carrier Aer Lingus and his non-executive directors at the group’s annual meeting, Aer Lingus said on Thursday.

Ryanair, which owns nearly 30 percent of Aer Lingus, has a fractious relationship with the former state carrier, which it has twice tried to take over via hostile bids.

Ryanair is proposing that the pay of Aer Lingus chairman Colin Barrington be cut from EUR175,000 euros (USD$241,200) received in 2008 back to the EUR35,000 level earned by his predecessor in 2006.

The group is also proposing that the remuneration of non-executive directors be cut from EUR45,000 to EUR17,500, the level earned in 2006.

Source: Reuters

Well, they do own nearly 30% of a majorly loss making company, wouldn’t you want to see something done to curb the expenditure, especially from people who have arguably made mis-guided decisions?

Irish budget airline Ryanair will propose large pay cuts for the chairman of rival carrier Aer Lingus and his non-executive directors at the group’s annual meeting, Aer Lingus said on Thursday.

Ryanair, which owns nearly 30 percent of Aer Lingus, has a fractious relationship with the former state carrier, which it has twice tried to take over via hostile bids.

Ryanair is proposing that the pay of Aer Lingus chairman Colin Barrington be cut from EUR175,000 euros (USD$241,200) received in 2008 back to the EUR35,000 level earned by his predecessor in 2006.

The group is also proposing that the remuneration of non-executive directors be cut from EUR45,000 to EUR17,500, the level earned in 2006.

Source: Reuters

Oh god. Ryanair need to get a grip really. Why not put the fares up and be an honset low cost carrier instead of insisting that you only pay 0.01P honset. More like 400 nearlly 600 pound.

other airlines arrive at almost identical final prices by imposing charges in different ways.

You really have that the wrong way round, Ryanair ‘arrive’ at the prices that some other airlines are transparent about from the start.

But okay, you’ve made your point that you have no problem with Ryanair or hidden charges. That’s fine, I agree to disagree.

1L.

I think Paul meant no one is comparing them in this particular thread.

1L.

I was 🙂 and threedeltamax is defintely in Easyjet’s corner…

…and your point about WOW and BE illustrates the original point perfectly – other airlines arrive at almost identical final prices by imposing charges in different ways.

Of course people compare Ryanair to other airlines

I think Paul meant no one is comparing them in this particular thread.

1L.

No-one’s really comparing Ryanair to any other airline, what people are referring to is the way they seem to dream up charges form nowhere. I’m not really sure why you bring up flying around the globe in cattle class and comparing that to Ryanair. What’s relevence does you flying around the world have to Ryanair? :confused:

Paul

Of course people compare Ryanair to other airlines – by what other criteria can they be benchmarked? :confused:

I use my illustration of flying cattle class with other airlines (wherever) to point out that for short flights (peoples frustrations with their booking/taxation/free seat policy systems apart) there really is no difference between sitting on a Ryanair 737 and any other airline – it’s a fairly cramped seat, in a noisy metal tube with people you’d just as soon not rub elbows with.

For my part, as I say, I’ve haven’t had half the trouble with Ryanair as other more prestigious carriers such as AF, AA, KLM etc… maybe that’s just my good fortune.

As for taxes versus cost of flights I see no difference between Ryanair and any other carrier – it’s just that Ryanair make up different names for theirs.

I’m sure Ryanair aren’t everyone’s cup of tea and they don’t have the cachet of other airlines but they get the job done, mostly and perhaps the greif they get is a little excessive.

I more mean don’t show it as yet another ridiculous charge; just literally increase the fare. I really would much rather see that than yet another charge that makes people think ‘here we go again!’ I honestly believe the constant extra charges are going to backfire on Ryanair really quite spectacularly and perhaps the time really has come for Ryanair to think very carefully about how they run themselves. It would be easy to assume they’ve very much done that but I’m really not sure. Why any airline would seemingly want to give themselves so much negative publicity I don’t know. :rolleyes:

Paul

I have to agree. The extra charges are becoming somewhat ridiculous. The thing that annoys me, is that changes that Ryanair have made that are supposed to make things easier and quicker, seem to making things worse. I have just flown back from Girona this afternoon, where you have to use either online check in or self check in. This is great in principle, as you then proceed to a bag drop. However, the queue for the ‘bag drop’ was absolutely huge, and we had to wait well over an hour just to drop a bag off. I don’t know why this was, but I suspect this was because of passengers arguing over excess, or maybe passengers that haven’t used the self check in machines.

It’s a shame, because as most of my experiences have been, the flights ran ahead of schedule on a clean tidy aircraft with polite, friendly and helpful crew.

Not sure Ryanair will disappear any time soon and not sure they quite deserve all the scathing remarks…

To me it’s the final figure on the CC bill and not the way in which it is charged that counts. If Ryanair really charged only the advertised air fare they certainly would be out of business PDQ.

I’m not an O’Leary apologist but he, at least, pays taxes in Ireland unlike some other ‘stay away’ Celtic-Tiger millionaires.

I’m not a Ryanair fanatic either but I haven’t had the same poor experiences and downright rudeness from them as I have had from say, Air France, with whom I now dread to fly (although fair dues, they did turn up to get me out of Guinea when the bullets started flying).

I’ve flown with Ryanair what seems like countless times and I’ve had a delay here and there but nothing I’m going to take to the EU Court of Human Rights. They are what they are and, flying cattle class all over the globe as I have done, they’re not much worse than anyone else I can think of for a flight that lasts an hour or less.

They’re the only option for me DUB-LPL since Aer Lingus quit that route (again) and being fairly tall I’m glad that the seats now do not recline – thus preventing the inevitable midget in front of me from slamming his seat back into my kneecaps so he can stretch his wee tootsies that bit further on that 25 minute flight.

Incidentally, I just paid for my beloved to visit me in the open prison that is Johannesburg and that KLM flight cost 510 Euro (DUB-AMS-JHB). Over half of which were taxes – no explanation as to what they were – just ‘taxes’

Someone once said taxes are inevitable – it’s just that Ryanair give them ridiculous names – personally, I’m always glad enough to arrive safely at my destination with my veins and loved ones intact.

No-one’s really comparing Ryanair to any other airline, what people are referring to is the way they seem to dream up charges form nowhere. I’m not really sure why you bring up flying around the globe in cattle class and comparing that to Ryanair. What’s relevence does you flying around the world have to Ryanair? :confused:

Paul

Not sure Ryanair will disappear any time soon and not sure they quite deserve all the scathing remarks…

To me it’s the final figure on the CC bill and not the way in which it is charged that counts. If Ryanair really charged only the advertised air fare they certainly would be out of business PDQ.

I’m not an O’Leary apologist but he, at least, pays taxes in Ireland unlike some other ‘stay away’ Celtic-Tiger millionaires.

I’m not a Ryanair fanatic either but I haven’t had the same poor experiences and downright rudeness from them as I have had from say, Air France, with whom I now dread to fly (although fair dues, they did turn up to get me out of Guinea when the bullets started flying).

I’ve flown with Ryanair what seems like countless times and I’ve had a delay here and there but nothing I’m going to take to the EU Court of Human Rights. They are what they are and, flying cattle class all over the globe as I have done, they’re not much worse than anyone else I can think of for a flight that lasts an hour or less.

They’re the only option for me DUB-LPL since Aer Lingus quit that route (again) and being fairly tall I’m glad that the seats now do not recline – thus preventing the inevitable midget in front of me from slamming his seat back into my kneecaps so he can stretch his wee tootsies that bit further on that 25 minute flight.

Incidentally, I just paid for my beloved to visit me in the open prison that is Johannesburg and that KLM flight cost 510 Euro (DUB-AMS-JHB). Over half of which were taxes – no explanation as to what they were – just ‘taxes’

Someone once said taxes are inevitable – it’s just that Ryanair give them ridiculous names – personally, I’m always glad enough to arrive safely at my destination with my veins and loved ones intact.

If you find that irritating, then you haven’t had the ‘rash’ I’ve had! HAHA

I was going to say something then but both you and Emily would probably slap me! 😀

Paul

As mildly irritating as your frequent whinging at Ryanair can be

If you find that irritating, then you haven’t had the ‘rash’ I’ve had! HAHA

Hang on a moment!

Aren’t Ryanair scrapping the check-in desks?
If so, that will mean that some, and soon all, airports you will not have the choice of checking in for a fiver or printing for a tenner?
You will have to pay £10 to get on a flight, period.

A sneaky way to:
a) Save costs on check-in staff (by not hiring any)
b) Raise the charge for checking in 100%

Long live easyJet! 😀

Absolutely! 😀

Paul

Said it before, saying it again… Ryanair – pay peanuts, get monkies (and now, a bigger hole in your wallet than you thought on many occasions)

Don’t know why I’m commenting really – as far as I’m concerned Ryanair are irrelevent. Never flown with them, never will. One day they’ll be gone, then they’ll be irrelevent to everyone and not just to me – come the glorious day!

Andy

As mildly irritating as your frequent whinging at Ryanair can be, I have to admit I really am starting to agree. I’m not convinced by the ‘great businessman’ thing anymore. Well… There’s no doubt that to have built up an airline the size of Ryanair he’s done something right, but now he seems to be destroying his own airline. Passengers simply will not tolerate a company they’re paying for a service taking the p!ss for an infinite amount of time, which is precisely what Ryanair are doing. I have no idea why O’Leary can’t see that and I entirely believe their passenger figures will start falling at some point in the not too distant future if they continue like this.

Paul

Said it before, saying it again… Ryanair – pay peanuts, get monkies (and now, a bigger hole in your wallet than you thought on many occasions)

Don’t know why I’m commenting really – as far as I’m concerned Ryanair are irrelevent. Never flown with them, never will. One day they’ll be gone, then they’ll be irrelevent to everyone and not just to me – come the glorious day!

Andy

just literally increase the fare. I really would much rather see that than yet another charge

Intersestingly I’ve just been booking some LGW NQY tickets.

WOW started as £29.00 one way, which ended up as a total of £58.00 return.
BE started as £2.79 one way, which ended up as a total of £57.98 return.

Much as I think BE are a great airline and fly direct, not via PLH, as a matter of principle I have booked with WOW.

1L.

Ryanair are running themselves into the ground really quite spectacularly. I have no idea why they don’t increase the price of the actual fare instead of messing people around with nonsense charges. Well… I do, because then they can’t advertise low fares, but these extra charges are getting utterly ridiculous. They’re turning a complete joke of an airline!

Completely agree.

Thankfully my personal circumstances permit that I will only fly with them using their promotional fares and thus escape the charge.

As a result it doesn’t really bother me them adding on this charge, although I have to agree all this “chopping and changing” is getting boring. If I was forced to fly with them due to work reasons, then it wouldn’t be me picking up the charge anyway.

Adam

I more mean don’t show it as yet another ridiculous charge; just literally increase the fare. I really would much rather see that than yet another charge that makes people think ‘here we go again!’ I honestly believe the constant extra charges are going to backfire on Ryanair really quite spectacularly and perhaps the time really has come for Ryanair to think very carefully about how they run themselves. It would be easy to assume they’ve very much done that but I’m really not sure. Why any airline would seemingly want to give themselves so much negative publicity I don’t know. :rolleyes:

Paul

I’m sure you’re right, there are probably some charges which don’t need to be shown as optional, i.e. anything which isn’t optional such as this.

I just did a quick search for the period outside of the current discount period, and there is no mention of it being a charge. I’m not sure if it is included within the fare or the taxes/charges, but it is simply not clear that you pay this charge, therefore for Joe Bloggs public you don’t even know you’re paying it.

Interestingly they have to include this charge on the first page, so it is actually shown in the fare because of European regulations.

I more mean don’t show it as yet another ridiculous charge; just literally increase the fare. I really would much rather see that than yet another charge that makes people think ‘here we go again!’ I honestly believe the constant extra charges are going to backfire on Ryanair really quite spectacularly and perhaps the time really has come for Ryanair to think very carefully about how they run themselves. It would be easy to assume they’ve very much done that but I’m really not sure. Why any airline would seemingly want to give themselves so much negative publicity I don’t know. :rolleyes:

Paul