S-400 Question

Since the poster’s original question has been answered and the thread is deteriorating quickly, consider it locked.

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Don’t we have moderators around here? He’s not even trying to stay on topic anymore.

Daniel

Please tell me you don’t actually believe that crap :rolleyes:

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LOL, yes he is very funny guy:)
He gets quite fired up sometimes, although he does provide interesting artcles and links occassionaly:)

Lol I like this White Cloud guy……has anyone read his posts in some of the other threads? He’s hilarious!

The S-400 has even been given the NATO designation SA-X-20. Below is a link related to the S-400 system.

http://warfare.ru/?catid=264&linkid=1699

Those are S-300 parts and vehicles. The text is about the future S-400. If you right-click the photos and view Properties, they are all dated June 1999.

Nice website, but a lot of their NATO names are way off. S-400 is the SA-X-21, the SA-20 GARGOYLE is the S-300PM-1/2/PMU-1/2.

WE will defeat USA in WW3 which iz just around the corner, it will take us about 2 weeks, and I’m not Exagerating.

No I’d say “delusional” is the word.

:rolleyes: becouse western weapon systems never get delayed :rolleyes:

Hey! Where the hell was the much promised S-400 demo at the MAKS 2005? We’re still waiting.

Could this be part of yet another S-400 delay? A Russian general just said ‘beginning of 2006’ for S-400 deployments around Moscow. It used to be ‘by end of 2005.’

You true believers have been had again by the Russian “oboronka.”

Already functional, hence the tests.

S-400

Only if they come up with a fully functional and demonstrable S-400 …

WE will defeat USA in WW3 which iz just around the corner, it will take us about 2 weeks, and I’m not Exagerating.

I do apologise for making one mistake. The reason S-300 equipment is shown is becouse the system uses S-300 equipment, we have shown you a picture of S-400 equipment and you refuse to comment on it. Would you like the Russians to develop completely different brand new equipment that is completely unintergratable with that that already exists?
I replied to your comment about Russian beaucracy if you actually try reading.
Myself and others have given you more than enough evidence to prove the already excepted fact that the S-400 system exists so I will let you carry on living in your ignorant ‘russians are all liars who cant build high tech’ weapons world.
Bunga has posted an article stating that the big missile has been tested to a range of 327km.
SOC has posteD a link with a picture of an S-400 configured launch vehicle
WHITECLOUD has provided an article stating that two S-400 systems have been tested operationally.
Those are the facts, I apologise if they upset your view of Russia but that cannot be helped. You have already been forced to concede that the S-400 does infact exist but now you insist on fighting to the bitter end to prove that it has not been tested.

The S-400 has even been given the NATO designation SA-X-20. Below is a link related to the S-400 system.

http://warfare.ru/?catid=264&linkid=1699

Those are S-300 parts and vehicles. The text is about the future S-400. If you right-click the photos and view Properties, they are all dated June 1999.

Becouse information on how to defeat stealth technology is just handed out to civilians.

Oh, the least they could do without compromising their little science fiction fantasy is to say they have bistatic radar, or long-wavelength radar, or passive-coherent radar, all of which are discussed in open source literature as anti-Stealth technology.

Your utter ignorance of Russian affairs is baffling as is your ridiclous belief that the russians are somehow all evil liars

Nice try. I listed several examples of bureaucratic deceit that you cannot dispute, and you call it ignorance. Do not forget, going back even farther, the reflexive Russian and Soviet handling of Chernobyl until events made the Big Lie impossible. You do realize that against such a backdrop, the constant Russian claims of “there is no Western equivalent” for products ranging from missiles to vaccines start to sound incredible?

Becouse information on how to defeat stealth technology is just handed out to civilians.
Field deployed=its been deployed in the field, how is that difficult to understand?
This is a little bit different to disasters which the Russian beuracracy has yet to fully understand how to handle in the world of the open media.
There is a picture posted above of S-400 equipment, try reading posts before replying.
Your utter ignorance of Russian affairs is baffling as is your ridiclous belief that the russians are somehow all evil liars who are not capable of deploying a modern weapon system.

Bunga, I say to you again, the existance of the S-400 system is an excepted fact, the pictures and articles posted above prove that. The Soviet Union ceased to exist over a decade ago, the russians do not fake the existance of weapons systems.

you mean an accepted fact, but the pictures are of S-300 equipment. S-300 missiles. S-300 vehicles.

I think you overestimate the Russian penchant for official honesty; look how their generals and officials behave even in this era, in the initial days after a Kursk or Beslan or twin suicide hijacking. Alleging that a Western sub rammed the Kursk? Refusing Western help until the crew has died? Speculating that jet fuel impurities brought down both planes?

The lengthy Jane’s Defence Weekly description from Dec. 2004 of limited testing deployment of the S-400 is the weirdest passage I have read. Just WHAT is field deployment, as opposed to full deployment? It almost sounds as if the Russians are claiming a woman is partially pregnant. More likely, it is a halfway house on the road to the truth, b/c even the shameless Russians cannot allege they have full deployment of the S-400.

Another thing to note: the mythical and chimeric S-400’s selling point has always been its anti-Stealth technology. The 2001 description of the 96L6 radar’s specs at the MAKS-2001 air show does not describe anything useful to defeating Stealth.

Bunga, I say to you again, the existance of the S-400 system is an excepted fact, the pictures and articles posted above prove that. The Soviet Union ceased to exist over a decade ago, the russians do not fake the existance of weapons systems.

S-400 IZ Operational :
S-400 air-defence system operational

The Russian Federation Air Force (RFAF) has confirmed that two S-400 (Triumph) low- to high-altitude air-defence systems are in service with line units but that an extension of the re-arming effort depends on funding.

This information confirms a statement by Lieutenant General Aytech Bizhev, Deputy Commander-in-Chief (CinC) for the Commonwealth of Independent States Unified Air-Defence, that two S-400 systems are deployed with the air force for field testing and that these will be deployed fully in 2005.

The RFAF CinC General Vladimir Mikhaylov said on 11 December that the air-defence priority is to upgrade existing equipment and further develop the new S-400 for air defence and non-strategic missile defence.

Plans to re-arm the air force surface-to-air missile (SAM) units with the S-400 remain highly dependent on the availability of funds, and the manufacturing capacities of the industry, according to RFAF officials,.

Colonel General Boris Cheltsov, RFAF chief of staff, said the S-400 would achieve full operational readiness in 2005 after receiving a number of upgrades. Gen Bizhev also confirmed that the upgrades would allow the S-400 and the A-135M to share target data information.

Together with upgraded variants of the in-service SAM systems, the S-400 is part of an effort to “solve the issues of non-strategic missile defence”. Gen Cheltsov, who headed the air force commission that supervised S-400 fire trials, said the commission has recommended to the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) that it accepts the S-400 in service “in a variant with a standard missile”. Earlier it had been recommended that the S-400 enter trial service with missiles already used by the S-300 series.

Gen Bizhev said the S-400 would initially be located to protect Moscow, St Petersburg and the Urals industrial region, as well as border stretches “where missile attacks can be expected”. He also said the S-400 could destroy cruise missiles and aircraft at a range of 250 km and at a range of heights from several dozen metres to the stratosphere.

The S-400, when operational with the new long-range missile (40N6), is claimed to have a range of 400 km and it is believed to have passed firing tests with all missile types.

The existing S-400s are currently undergoing capability enhancements for interoperability with the space forces assets.

The Russian armed forces say that the S-400 can potentially be used against strategic ballistic missiles after separation of warheads. In that role the S-400s will be co-operating with the A-135 anti-missile system in service with the Russian Space Forces. Provision is made for the S-400s to receive targeting information on approaching space threats from the Russian Space Forces in an automatic mode.

The S-400/A-135 will be the first block of the Air and Space Defence (ASD) system, a future structure concept recently formulated by the Russian defence ministry. The latter said that the MoD has recently approved the ASD concept and it is currently being improved for final validation by the Russian president.

Among other things, the ASD calls for a unitary radar field over Russia, similar to that which the Soviet Union had, but “on a new quality level”. To achieve this, a united air traffic control/air-defence radar field will be created, combining the means of civil and military structures. Almaz-Antei (Air Defence Concern or Kontsern PVO) has been selected to lead the effort. Almaz-Antei will act as systems integrator and also supplier of major elements such as phased-array radar systems and ‘identification friend or foe’ interrogators. S-400 WILL Track Stealth Targets az well: S-400 surveillance radar will track stealth targets

Miroslav Gyürösi

Russia displayed the 96L6 surveillance radar for the S-400 missile system at the MAKS 2001 defence exhibition at Zhukovsky near Moscow, writes Miroslav Gyürösi. It operates in C-band, and the manufacturers say it can detect and track aircraft and cruise missiles which use stealth technology.

Work on the 96L6 began in the second half of the 1980s, when Boris Vasilyevics Bunkin, the general designer of CKB Almaz defined the requirements for a surveillance radar to form part of the new S-400 missile system. The design of the new radar was assigned to the Lira design bureau, which is a part of LEMZ – the Lianozovskiz Elektromekhanicseskij Zavod (Lianozovo Elektromechanical Factory). Lira and LEMZ are part of the financial-industrial group Oboronitelniye Sistemi (Defence Systems).

During the development and trials stage OKR (Opitno-Konstruktorskaya Rabota) of the programme, the new radar was designated VVO (Vsevisotniy Obnaruzhitel = detector for all altitudes).

The requirements for the VVO were very rigorous. The team headed by the late main designer Yuriy Fyodorovics Lisin based its design on research by Professor VI Vinokurov into the detection of difficult signals.

Another organisation involved with the development programme was the scientific research experimental establishment (Naucsno-Issledovatelskaya Eksperimentalnaya Rabota) Slozhnost (Complexity), whose general designers are BV Bunkin and Yuriy Aleksandrovics Kuznecov.

An experimental radar was built and tested in a series of trials against Yak-52 training aircraft. Specialists from other Russian radar establishments such as LETI, NII-2 MO, NII-3 MO, UPI, CNIIRES and VNIIRT participated in the trials, and the resulting data influenced the future development of radar technology in what was then the Soviet Union.

In 1988, representatives of the main developing organisation and the customer signed agreement giving the go-ahead for wideband radar technology, based on this earlier research to be used in the VVO programme. As a result of theoretical and experimental research, a database of difficult signals was developed, along with signal processing hardware with a speed of 10 billion operations per second, plus other components.

In 1991, the Lira design bureau built a prototype of the VVO radar. This started operation in early 1992, and in April of that year was demonstrated against low-altitude targets. Later that year systems were delivered for trials at the training centre of NII-2, the scientific research institute of the Russian air-defence forces. The system was displayed in model form at the MAKS 97 defence exhibition.

When the system enters service it will replace the 5N66M and 76N6 (NVO/NVO-M) radars currently used for the detection of low-flying targets. (The 76N6 is known to NATO as ‘Clam Shell’.) Both had been developed in the early 1970s by the design bureau of the LEMZ factory. Later the 96L6 will replace the 19Zh6/35D6/36D6 family (ST-68U/-68UM) of all-round surveillance radars, which were developed and produced in Ukraine by NPO Iskra.

The role of the 96L6 is the detection of air targets and measuring of their azimuth, elevation and range. It can be used with the S-300PMU surface-to-air (SAM) system, can autonomously assign targets for the 90Zh6E, 90Zh6E1 and 90Zh6E2 (S-300PMU-1 and later) air-defence missile complexes, and can be connected with the Baykal-1E and Senezh-M1E automated command and control systems or the radiotechnical forces’ Osnova-1E and Polye-E command posts.

It can pass information about a wide spectrum of the aerial targets, including aircraft, helicopters, UAVs and missiles, to the 30N6E, 30N6E1, 30N6E2 (‘Flap Lid’) series of tracking and missile guidance radars.

The 96L6 is very effective against low flying targets and against targets in the medium and high altitudes. It maintains its performance in the presence of heavy jamming, and has a very low false-alarm rate.

Targets can be tracked at elevations from 60º down to 0º, but a minimum of -3º is available as an option. The antenna uses several beams when scanning in elevation. For detection of very low flying targets, or if the radar is deployed in a wooded area, the antenna can be mounted on a 966AA14 elevated tower. The latter consists of a 40V6M tower mounted on a MAZ-537G (74106) truck.

There are two versions of the 96L6 – one which is installed on a single vehicle, and another which uses two vehicles.

The single-vehicle variant consists of:

• a 966AA01 antenna array;

• a 966FF03 shelter which houses the receiving, transmitting and information-processing subsystems, an operator console, communication and IFF systems and a ZIP-O repair set;

• a TM966 vehicle based on a Type 7930 Astrolog wheeled chassis with a SEP-2L generator and power-distribution system; and

• a set of cables.

The two-vehicle version consists of:

• a truck and trailer-mounted 966AA00 antenna set incorporating the 966AA01 antenna, an SES-75, SES-75M or equivalent model of electrical generator and power-distribution system, plus cables; and

• a truck and trailer-mounted 966FF00 installation incorporating the 966FF03 shelter and SES-75/-75M electrical system.

The two vehicles can be deployed up to 100m apart.

Operating frequency C-band (4-6GHz)
Range 5-300km
Maximum target elevation up to 60º
Maximum number of tracks up to 100 targets
Time from target detection to availability of target data:
– For elevations under 1.5º 12s
– For elevations over 1.5º 21s
Maximum number of the false target co-ordinates in 30min no more than 3-5
Crew 3
All-round search performance
Azimuth 360º
Elevation 0-20º (-3º if required)
Doppler speed range ±30 to ±1,200m/s
Information update rate:
– in the low zone (0-1.5º) 6s
– in the upper zone (1.5-20º) 12s
Sector search
Azimuth up to 120º
Elevation 0-60º (-3º if required)
Doppler speed range ±50 to ±2,800m/s
Time taken: sector search up to 8s
Time taken: lower sector search 5.5s
Time taken: full search cycle 13.5s
Low-altitude target search
Azimuth 360º
Elevation 0-1.5º
Doppler speed range ±30 to ±1,200m/s
Search time 6s
Deployment time from the move 5min (single-vehicle) 30min (two-vehicle)
Time needed to install antenna on the tower 120min
Activation time when in combat position no more than 3 min
Activation time when alerted no more than 40s
Continuous operating time no limits
Operating environment
Temperature ±50ºC
Dust up to 2.5g/m_
Wind up to 30m/s
Resistance to being over-turned by wind up to 50m/s
Operating altitude up to 3,000m
Service life before overhaul 10 years
Operating hours before overhaul 12,000h
Total service life 20+ years
Total operating hours 25,000-30,000h