S-400 TRIUMF for Greece?

You’re right, I pulled that from the wrong version of my spreadsheet. TOMB STONE is 36N6, 30N6-1 is FLAP LID for export as the 30N6E codes were given to export TOMB STONEs for some weird reason.

Shouldn’t have been 30N6-1, that’s the radar set (in native form for the S-300PM-1) also known as 30N6E1 used in the S-300PMU-1. It would have been a 5N63S or 30N6.

The 30N6-1 designation of the Slovak S-300 radar was given in the April 2005 issue of ‘Jane’s Missiles & Rockets’ by Miroslav Gyürösi. He is a Bratislava-based defence journalist who speaks the local language, understands technical Russian, and specialises in missiles, so is unlikely to have got the designation wrong. My guess is that he got the info either from the radar crew or from the radar itself.

Native variant of the S-300PMU is either the S-300PS or the upgraded S-300PM.

Could not be.

Slovak’s Grumble cames from the old Czechoslovak Air Defense Troops, 20th SAM Detachment, 71st SAM Brigade (Prague) with 30N6E FCR and 76N6 low altitude detection radar. Missile is 5V55R.

That’s a S-300PMU, similar to what LSK/LV get too (but they returned them to the USSR after merger)

Sean, what’s the soviet version of S-300PMU?

Shouldn’t have been 30N6-1, that’s the radar set (in native form for the S-300PM-1) also known as 30N6E1 used in the S-300PMU-1. It would have been a 5N63S or 30N6.

To the best my my knowledge, the single system owned by Slovakia was an S-300PMU-1.

Shouldn’t have been 30N6-1, that’s the radar set (in native form for the S-300PM-1) also known as 30N6E1 used in the S-300PMU-1. It would have been a 5N63S or 30N6.

Until now Hellenic S-300 are kept away from the NATO eyes. Ex. during the EW exercise “Trial Spartan Hammer 2006” it took place in western Greece on November 2006, although every single a/a system was present, the S-300 was absent.

A more likely reason for the Greek S-300 systems not taking part in NATO exercises is poor serviceability of the Russian hardware.

But the European NATO nations have already had a chance to study the system. A 30N6-1 illuminating and guidance radar and 36D63D surveillance radar set from the Slovak Republic took part in the Trial Hammer ’05 NATO SEAD exercise.

Will this be a full-featured system and not a stripped-down, for-export version? Either way, we can expect some good intel if this sale materializes.

Well the information stream could go both ways.:diablo:
The fact is that Greece bases its perfect relations with Russia to mutual trust. From the other hand Greece is a member of NATO for years, and knows to keep its obligations.

Until now Hellenic S-300 are kept away from the NATO eyes. Ex. during the EW exercise “Trial Spartan Hammer 2006” it took place in western Greece on November 2006, although every single a/a system was present, the S-300 was absent.

Will this be a full-featured system and not a stripped-down, for-export version? Either way, we can expect some good intel if this sale materializes.

There is some talk of also getting some SA-17 ‘Grizzly’ ‘Buk-2Ms’ to replace the older I-Hawks S.A.Ms.

This could well be a counter move to stop Turkish’s intention to get the S-400 that accord to some sources interested them a lot (some sources said Turkish Air Force is halved on interested between S-400 and the more advanced Patriot systems)

I wonder how these Russian defense systems show on their western aircraft’s radar warning receivers? Does it show as a hostile site or friendly?

That was a main problem (as much as the integration with the rest air defence network that includes Patriot, Skyguard, Crotale NG, HAWK, TOR-M1, OSA-AKM, etc… 🙁 ) but it has been solved (and steel under development and improvements) by the interposition of an IFF translator between the Russian and the NATO standards. By this way the classified areas of the NATO and Russian IFF codes remained untouched from the Russian and NATO parts relatively.

I wonder how these Russian defense systems show on their western aircraft’s radar warning receivers? Does it show as a hostile site or friendly?

Wonder if they let Americans ‘have a look’ on the system?

That would be cheating…

Besides the S-400, what is the other purchase? I must confess I wasn’t watching the deals too closely lately..

greece decided to buy about 460 BMP-3M/F to replace the BMP-1s
Also plans to buy the Be-200 MAA and possibly BTR-90s 8×8 Armored Personnel Carriers

I want to remind that after a long period of quiescence in greek military purchases the first and – as it seems – the second most important purchase, concerns Russian systems.

Besides the S-400, what is the other purchase? I must confess I wasn’t watching the deals too closely lately..

Wonder if they let Americans ‘have a look’ on the system?

Interoperable and interchangeable are two different things…they are interoperable via a command network controlled by a 64N6 EW radar system, but the prospect of using interchangeable compnents between the two systems may not be as likely given the system changes made in the S-400.

@SOC
Modifications wouldn’t be so big. The S-400 is designed to be interoperable with both S-300PMU1/2. I don’t think that would be to expensive(to add a new engagement radar, maybe 2 kinds of missiles and a small modification on the TELs if really needed).
I think I saw one Patriot at Macedonia Airport:confused:

1. Upgrading the S-300PMU-1 to S-400 standard isn’t as cut and dry as it sounds. You need a new engagement radar, and then you need new missiles in the form of at least the 48N6DM. You might be able to modify the TELs to communicate with the new radar, but apart from that you’re in for a much deeper “modification” than you might think, and buying the S-400 outright might be better off.

2. I thought Greece was less than impressed with the S-300PMU-1, not because of any deficiency, but because it wasn’t talking very well with the PATRIOT SAMs as part of their overall AD network. That’s another potential strong reason to just buy the S-400 outright, to replace the PATRIOT batteries and enjoy much better interoperability with the two S-300PMU-1 batteries already in place.