I was looking at some older editions of military balance and it seems like USSR had 1500 launchers for SA-10 at the time of its breakup.
If NATO and Warsaw pact had gone to war, would the SA-10 have posed a major threat to NATO airstrikes ? was it a modern system for late 80s ?
By: Jonesy - 13th January 2012 at 22:01
That’s a detection range for Irbis-E. Would not be a shocking conclusion that the much larger land based radars, among them units like Nebo specifically desighned for the purpose, would get far better numbers against VLO targets.
Any reports on the kinds of false-alarm rates experienced providing that resolution at 10’s of kms range?.
By: TR1 - 10th January 2012 at 19:14
That’s a detection range for Irbis-E. Would not be a shocking conclusion that the much larger land based radars, among them units like Nebo specifically desighned for the purpose, would get far better numbers against VLO targets.
By: wrightwing - 10th January 2012 at 17:43
The big question would be if it would be effective against stealth. At the time of the breakup of the USSR the US had an entire wing of F-117s tasked with the role of rolling back the Warsaw SAM barrier. That whole wing was top secret. Nobody knew of it until it was unclassified and revealed, and then used in the gulf war.
The Russians advertise that they can detect and track stealth, but at what range? Today it would be the F-22 and F-35 against the S-400, or S-300v.
Could they defend against a F-22 lofting SDBs 60 miles away?
My guess is if the Russian SAM can then there is some other plan the US has in place we don’t know about.
Stealth isn’t a monolithic term. The Russians claim a detection range of 90km versus a .01m^2 target. Against the B-2, F-22, and F-35, the detection ranges would be significantly less. In other words, the SDBs would be easier to engage, than the stealth platform dropping them. By the way, the F-22 can drop SDBs considerably further than 60nm(that range is for a subsonic launch, and at lower altitudes than the F-22 flies).
By: CRJ - 1st January 2012 at 04:53
The big question would be if it would be effective against stealth. At the time of the breakup of the USSR the US had an entire wing of F-117s tasked with the role of rolling back the Warsaw SAM barrier. That whole wing was top secret. Nobody knew of it until it was unclassified and revealed, and then used in the gulf war.
The Russians advertise that they can detect and track stealth, but at what range? Today it would be the F-22 and F-35 against the S-400, or S-300v.
Could they defend against a F-22 lofting SDBs 60 miles away?
My guess is if the Russian SAM can then there is some other plan the US has in place we don’t know about.
By: TR1 - 25th December 2011 at 16:35
It is actually very mobile as far as SAMs go, let alone large multi vehicle complexes. The whole thing can be set up and moved in an unprepared position within minutes.
The army of course wanted a tracked variant, hence S-300V.
Good info is pretty common now, Carlo Koop (yes, the very one) has a good site on the system, and of course Sean O’Conner (SOC on forums) is the english speaking encyclopedia/expert on the system.
By: nastle - 25th December 2011 at 15:32
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I understand that it was relatively immobile but it had good range, when the russians sold it to cyprus in 90s it caused a huge uproar in turkey !
Is there a good source on this missile system
By: djcross - 23rd December 2011 at 05:28
It was the SAM system most feared by NATO due to capability and number. It provided the protective umbrella for the more mobile Kub and Buk SAMs that would accompany Soviet tank armies advancing through West Germany.
Those same systems are being upgraded with modern processors, memory and software. They will stay relevant for the foreseeable future.
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