Schelde Combatant 12717: Dutch Stealth Frigate Proposal

Here you go, the smaller version of the Lürssen Combat Craft.

Best regards and all the best for the new year.

Thanks for the updated pics. Happy 2007!

Cheers!!!!
—–JT—–

Here you go, the smaller version of the Lürssen Combat Craft.

Best regards and all the best for the new year.

Wouldn’t expect to see POD drives on surface combatants, and especially high-speed vessels like the proposal above for some time to come. It is a good idea but not practical. So traditional shaftlines and (increasingly) waterjets for some time yet. Or a combination of both, if SAN MEKO A200s are anything to go by.

Why wouldn’t pods be applicable to surface combatants?

It will be one of the first things I´ll do, once I get back home in January ;-))

Regards.

Hi,

No, they belong to the larger SAWS variant. Can´t post the pics of the smaller boat because I am not at home, sorry. The latest version may be a contender for the (not yet started) German MÜKE (medium surface combatant) project to replace the 10 remaining S143A Gepard class FPBGs.

Regards

Hi MConrads,

Thanks for all the great pics, can’t wait to see the one of the smaller boat when you get a chance.

—–JT—–

Hi,

“Is that one of the pictures you added?”

No, they belong to the larger SAWS variant. Can´t post the pics of the smaller boat because I am not at home, sorry. The latest version may be a contender for the (not yet started) German MÜKE (medium surface combatant) project to replace the 10 remaining S143A Gepard class FPBGs.

“even the 72m Visby has a pop-up RBS-15 SSM launcher and vertically launched SAM’s”

Well, actually the Visby doesn´t have the SAMs yet. Besides the Umkohtos are much smaller than the envisioned ESSM for the ALCC. The shorter design will have to do with RAM (which will be pop-up btw on all the designs to add some stealth while not in use!). The design will have space and room for conventional SSMs however much like the Visby itself.

“Wouldn’t expect to see POD drives on surface combatants”

Well the article clearly states that it all depends on the success of the HTS technology, which should reach production capabilities early next decade.

Regards

Wouldn’t expect to see POD drives on surface combatants, and especially high-speed vessels like the proposal above for some time to come. It is a good idea but not practical. So traditional shaftlines and (increasingly) waterjets for some time yet. Or a combination of both, if SAN MEKO A200s are anything to go by.

Hi,

the article gave the max speed with a COPAW drive with 30 knots. Though there was another article were the ship was called ” Seabased Asymmetric Warfare Ship (SAWS)”: 99,80m / 18m (max beam, delta hull) / 3,90m (max 6m) / 2.500 – 3.000 tons / COPAW or COCOW (all electrical based on the HTS technology) with 32 – 36 knots sprint speed / crew: 43 + 6

Weapons and equipment: 1 medium gun (first 76mm later 57mm), 4 MLG-27, 8 (self defense) + 16 (strike or tactical) mk-41 vls for ESSM, VL Harpoon, VLA, land attack missile (or similar), 2 MASS, 2 UAVs, 3 USV (1 x 9m, 57 knots, e.g. Chris-Craft Launch 28; and 2 x 6m, e.g. Medine II), 2 UUV (e.g. Seafox etc)

In an even later article the design (now called multi purpose attack boat of the future) shrank a bit to 72,50m / 13m / 3,55m / 800 – 1.500 tons / 40 knots. It last all of the vls launchers as well, retained all other equipment though.

Regards

Thanks for all the updates. So the latest proposal is for a fast (40knots) smaller (72m) corvette? Is that one of the pictures you added?

I’m surprised they would remove the VLS launchers as even the 72m Visby has a pop-up RBS-15 SSM launcher and vertically launched SAM’s.

—–JT—–

Hi,

the article gave the max speed with a COPAW drive with 30 knots. Though there was another article were the ship was called ” Seabased Asymmetric Warfare Ship (SAWS)”: 99,80m / 18m (max beam, delta hull) / 3,90m (max 6m) / 2.500 – 3.000 tons / COPAW or COCOW (all electrical based on the HTS technology) with 32 – 36 knots sprint speed / crew: 43 + 6

Weapons and equipment: 1 medium gun (first 76mm later 57mm), 4 MLG-27, 8 (self defense) + 16 (strike or tactical) mk-41 vls for ESSM, VL Harpoon, VLA, land attack missile (or similar), 2 MASS, 2 UAVs, 3 USV (1 x 9m, 57 knots, e.g. Chris-Craft Launch 28; and 2 x 6m, e.g. Medine II), 2 UUV (e.g. Seafox etc)

In an even later article the design (now called multi purpose attack boat of the future) shrank a bit to 72,50m / 13m / 3,55m / 800 – 1.500 tons / 40 knots. It last all of the vls launchers as well, retained all other equipment though.

Regards

Hi,

The length of the ALCC is flexible and depends on the clients wishes. For the article it is given with 100m with a displacement of 2.800 – 3.500 t.

It´s a very nice LCS type vessel with an innovative propulsion approach.

Regards.

Fantastic attachments MConrads!

Do they say what the max speed is?

It does have a nice weapons load, 76mm, at least 3x 27mm Mauser turrets, looks like a MICA/BARAK forward VLS (or similar smaller SAM missile), I like that central multi-purpose VLS launcher, looks like it will be used to launch ASM’s and heavier SAMs (like ESSM or ASTER). The RAMS may be a bit of an overkill if they already have the MICA/BARAK and also the 76mm turret (now with the DAVIDE system).

If they can make one around 80m in length it will give the Visby and GOWIND 120 a run for their money.

—–JT—–

ALCC

Hi,

The length of the ALCC is flexible and depends on the clients wishes. For the article it is given with 100m with a displacement of 2.800 – 3.500 t.

It´s a very nice LCS type vessel with an innovative propulsion approach.

Regards.

VAJT wrote:

I think you mean this document:
Advanced Lürssen Combat Craft ALCC, Innovative Kampfschiffe für die Zukunft

Thanks 7seas, that’s the one. Do they say how large it will be? It looks bigger than what I was imagining.

—–JT—–

So they are trying to revamp the old Sea Wraith design huh? Fair enough!

BAe Sea Wraith concept design for the Type 45 destroyer

Advanced Lürssen Combat Craft ALCC, Innovative Kampfschiffe für die Zukunft

VAJT wrote:

I remember seeing an ad in a magazine of a design from Lurssen for a very similar looking ship. Unfortunately going to their website shows nothing.

I think you mean this document:
Advanced Lürssen Combat Craft ALCC, Innovative Kampfschiffe für die Zukunft

This would make a nice fleet, the DCN Swordfish destroyer and Schelde 12717 for frigate, now we need a nice corvette.

—–JT—–

The brochure that I have only has a silhouette of the frigate sized Visby plus.

It now sounds like the Visby+ and Visby++ are going away in favor of the MEKO CSL design.

—–JT—–

Hello,
these attached photo’s where made less than a month ago at a Royal Schelde booth.
So it seems that they still promote the concept.

Have a nice trip
7seas

Nice pictures. This design could take away the crown from the Visby as the stealthiest looking ship. By comparing the size of the NH-90 helicopter, it looks like it’s a nice sized frigate of about 120m-130m in length. It also looks like all missiles are either vertically launched (both SAM and ASM), vertically launched SAM and pop-up ASM launcher (like the Visby) or vertically launched SAM and side opening doors for the ASM. Not sure but it also looks like the the front turret is for a 57mm (as dfiscussed previously) and in the rear area on the top a stealthy 40mm.

I remember seeing an ad in a magazine of a design from Lurssen for a very similar looking ship. Unfortunately going to their website shows nothing.

—–JT—–

Schelde: Ongoing Innovation

Hello,
these attached photo’s where made less than a month ago at a Royal Schelde booth.
So it seems that they still promote the concept.

Have a nice trip
7seas

A few years ago Damen Shipyards bought Royal Schelde. The Sea Arrow designs were from before that time. Damen urged Schelde to start a flexible design serie like Damen’s company philosophy is. This resulted in the SIGMA Naval Patrol series (of which the Indonesian corvettes are part). It seems that this Schelde Combattant is an evolution of this design serie in combination with Integrated Topside Design from Thales but then for a frigate-sized combattant.

Nice little stealth corvette from Royal Schelde the Netheralands

The hull flare is similar to that the of Schelde 12717 design. Perhaps this is a related design, or perhaps an earlier iteration?

Of course, the fact that Schelde has marketed so many similarly sized designs seems a bit peculiar?